Hans Ulrich Niedermann (h...@n-dimensional.de) said:
The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting
yourself in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to
not start with KMS enabled or remove it from the distro.
I am working on such a patch to radeonhd
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
essential to them.
They can use the plain old KMag which doesn't require any sort of
compositing at all.
Kevin Kofler
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
essential to them.
They can use the plain old KMag which doesn't require any sort of
compositing at all.
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:12:00 +0100
Hans Ulrich Niedermann h...@n-dimensional.de wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:20:20 +1000
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting
yourself in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to
Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as
part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the
other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever
come out of Ubuntu is a quirk table. (yippee.)
Did you chatted with Bryce?
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On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:35:52 -0500
Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
[ radeonhd vs radeon ]
So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If
Matěj Cepl (mc...@redhat.com) said:
Moreover, I don't know what's your problem with radeonhd driver in
Fedora. Hanz does IMHO excellent job on maintaining it and it
doesn't drag much additional resources on anybody (except on me,
perhaps, because I triage bugs for him as well, which is the
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:01 +, Ikem Krueger wrote:
Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as
part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the
other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever
come out of Ubuntu
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:20:20 +1000
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting yourself
in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to not start
with KMS enabled or remove it from the distro.
I am working on such a patch to
Dave Airlie (airl...@redhat.com) said:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 08:07 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
Well, here's one graphics regression:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540476
radeon.modeset=0 worked around the problem.
(I'm not sure if it's filed against the right
On 12/01/2009 09:35 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're trying to
focus on quality, I'm not sure why
Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said:
On 12/01/2009 09:35 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working
default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to
be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're
Dne 1.12.2009 21:43, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
If the e1000 driver is broken in the kernel for some people, we don't support
shipping an alternate driver. If a new version of the intel graphics driver
is broken for some people, we don't support shipping a pre-KMS version
of the driver.
Why
On 11/27/2009 04:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce.
This isn't necessarily the case, in theory or in practice. I
Linuxguy123 wrote:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-
Desktop-Help
They did exactly what some people suggested we do in this thread: stick with
an old X.org X11 release and try to fix its bugs on their own. You can see
the result in the article and its
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Rudolf Kastl writes:
intel (i965) works fine...
You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS,
on
the other hand,
Le 30/11/2009 19:24, Jud Craft a écrit :
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Rudolf Kastl writes:
intel (i965) works fine...
You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more.
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:01 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help
Let's see if I can summarize this article:
- we're getting too many bugs
- more testing will find more bugs
- therefore we should test more so we have fewer
Le 30/11/2009 18:01, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help
Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers,
one guy is obviously not *enough*.
This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at all.
For the Qt-demo rendering issue on intel, it is fixed by Qt 4.6.
Good to hear!
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Le 30/11/2009 20:28, Jeff Spaleta a écrit :
What is your definition of hacker? Is he contributing to X.org
upstream development or is he just pulling patchsets to be applied to
distribution specific packages?
Likely the second option, I'd expect from the company claiming
leadership on the
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 09:23 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
That doesn't scale. There's lots of useful pages in the Wiki. We can't
link to all of them from the front page.
I was thinking of this more as a special Graphics debug push :)
Special cases are never a good idea.
and add some
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 20:03 +, Ikem Krueger wrote:
The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
to much to read, given the case
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:28 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Haïkel Guémar karlthe...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of whining, he should ask his employer to hire more X hackers,
one guy is obviously not *enough*.
This has nothing to do with our issue and Fedora at
On 11/28/2009 10:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 07:31 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Some really useful info in How_to_debug_Xorg_problems. I couldn't easily
find it from the main wiki home page however. Maybe a link to this page marked
Graphics issues could be made on the
The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
to much to read, given the case you follow all the links on the site
and you need to do so to
Which are the best Bugzilla components to register bugs against:
X11 driver ATI: xorg-x11-drv-ati
3D driver: mesa
DRM: kernel ???
Cheers
Terry
Where is the location of the DRM kernel module master git tree now ?
It used to be at:
Rudolf Kastl che666 at gmail.com writes:
intel (i965) works fine...
You are lucky. Major regressions there in F-12. On my hardware, this used to
work when nomodeset was passed to kernel. Now, it doesn't any more. With KMS, on
the other hand, hibernate/thaw or suspend/resume causes the whole
On 11/30/2009 01:33 AM, Ikem Krueger wrote:
The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with
X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of.
I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way
to much to read, given the case you follow all
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
Well, a couple of Fedoras back, X didn't work except with radeonhd,
but now radeon appears to support this one as well; I switched to it,
and the CPU issue is gone even with KMS. Now fonts (esp small ones)
look very smudgy though. But I suppose there are
On 11/28/2009 07:31 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better. remove your xorg.conf
and turn modesetting on and if its still
Well, a couple of Fedoras back, X didn't work except with radeonhd, but now
radeon appears to support this one as well; I switched to it, and the CPU
issue is gone even with KMS. Now fonts (esp small ones) look very smudgy
though. But I suppose there are already bug(s) open on this.
Don't
Am 2009-11-27 04:53, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
ones). All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
That's surprising as
Hi.
On 28.11.2009 12:29, nodata wrote:
X is *really* slow to me until the desktop has finished loading. So slow
I can't select a username from the login screen unless I wait for a
while. This didn't happen in F11.
Could that be the same as
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541878
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You assume normal desktop users don't have requirement for 3D which is
just plain wrong. Every modern desktop has made 3D a key part of the
user interface. Even in Linux, this is increasingly the trend with
Compiz and now GNOME Shell.
And KWin compositing / desktop
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 13:17 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better. remove
On 11/28/2009 08:36 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/28/2009 07:31 AM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 07:31 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Some really useful info in How_to_debug_Xorg_problems. I couldn't easily
find it from the main wiki home page however. Maybe a link to this page
marked
Graphics issues could be made on the front page (focus users on improving
the
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:18 +, Alex Hudson wrote:
On 27/11/09 06:08, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better.
If you
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry
On 11/26/2009 10:12 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
be working on all cards in 2009 ...
But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
be working on all cards in 2009 ...
But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
so a much wider scope for the testing
On 11/26/2009 10:14 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for.
--
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On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 09:35 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Also mentioned then I thought it would be good to have a basic, and simple
for users, graphics testing system to easily allow users to test and
feedback issues. Even if this is simply a short list of 2D/3D applications
and a list of
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
I think one thing that is changing expectations is ATI providing
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
I did feed back this.
Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, that
On 11/27/2009 11:38 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
That makes sense. Why don't we drop this from Rawhide? Shipping
unsupported drivers like this is
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
2009/11/27, drago01 drag...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/27 10:28
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:02 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 13:42 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
I think
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
Note that gnome-shell working was quite high in Dave's priority list
(within
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
3D driver for r600 is 35,000 lines just the chipset specific code,
Another
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
least doing more and more regression test work lately so less and less
crap is making it way into the mainline and
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
least doing more and more regression test work lately
On 2009/11/27 21:21 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:52:25 -0500 Felix Miata composed:
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
users. I didn't use the word useless. And yes, 3D is way more - way more
overhead, way more
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
On 11/28/2009 02:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
Times and expectations change.
Physics don't. A
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
2009/11/28 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce.
lol. That was truly funny (and true)!
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On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
surprised. Just watch.
Good thing all puters don't depend on batteries for power.
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3D cannot be essential to
users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush.
How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
essential to them.
A friend of mine has an old computer, which is « turned into
unresponsive mush » by 3D, as you say.
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce. I don't expect that to change, and
even
if it does, using more
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
surprised. Just watch.
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:32:04 +0100
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net
wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't
have a composited
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:02 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources
of
On 11/27/09, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
Note that
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
I did feed back this.
Right...that is
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
I still am using F8 on most of my systems as the Graphics
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 02:01:00PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
another set of problems. The new release speed also uses a lot of
developer and user time in just managing to create a new release and
updating systems to use it.
This is the key flaw in your suggestion. Fedora developer effort
2009/11/26 Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system
lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
I still am
On 11/26/2009 02:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 02:01:00PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
another set of problems. The new release speed also uses a lot of
developer and user time in just managing to create a new release and
updating systems to use it.
This is the key flaw
On 11/26/2009 07:54 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
That is true, but a major amount of work in getting a release out must
be testing it. Those Fedora people involved in the testing, which are
also user-testers, have their own systems with there own hardware and are
fully conversant with delving
On 11/26/2009 02:14 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
2009/11/26 Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system
lockups
and other problems)
On 11/26/2009 08:09 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
previous releases diagnosing reporting and attempting to fix bugs. No
graphics updates were ever made available for F11 and still Fedora cannot
run even Blender on most of
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 14:01 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5 different
ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
On 2009/11/26 14:39 (GMT) Terry Barnaby composed:
...
The cards I have tried include:
Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
ATI Technologies Inc RV535 [Radeon X1650 Series]
ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev
On 11/26/2009 02:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/26/2009 08:09 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
previous releases diagnosing reporting and attempting to fix bugs. No
graphics updates were ever made available for F11 and
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Specific bug reports are definitely going to
help.
Here are 4 to start with:
1) Cronometer crashes KDE session.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504173
2) Display not operating properly
On 11/26/2009 08:34 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Yes, clear bug reports are needed but they also need the follow through
to a fix and updated packages.
Agreed. File specific bug reports and post the links here.
Rahul
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On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 03:04:43PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 02:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/26/2009 08:09 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
previous releases diagnosing reporting and attempting to fix
On 11/26/2009 08:38 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Specific bug reports are definitely going to
help.
Here are 4 to start with:
1) Cronometer crashes KDE session.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504173
Filed against wrong
On 11/26/2009 03:11 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 03:04:43PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 02:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/26/2009 08:09 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
I have not entered any bugzilla numbers as yet. I spent days with F11 and
previous releases
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:08:27PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
As you obviously know tracking down and reporting bugs like these do take
a lot of time and effort, quite often more than actually fixing them. At
the moment
with the frequency of Fedora releases and the lack of a push to testing
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,
system lockups
and other problems) mainly in 3D but
On 11/26/2009 04:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 04:08:27PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
As you obviously know tracking down and reporting bugs like these do take
a lot of time and effort, quite often more than actually fixing them. At
the moment
with the frequency of Fedora
On 11/26/2009 05:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups, system
On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:27, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
On 11/26/2009 05:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
Ok, controversial title.
I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5
different ones).
All
Linuxguy123 wrote:
I have 4 bugs entered into bugzilla related to display problems and none
of them get any attention. I even posted a warning to the group about
this matter. (See November 16, Warning about possible display issues
with F12 upgrade.)
If these are the ones you linked to
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no
focus on testing and fixing graphics issues, does not inspire
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 13:46:54 -0600,
Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get you
That should be:
mesa-dri-drivers-experimental
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On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no
focus on
Dne Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:54 -0600 Bruno Wolff III napsal(a):
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug
reports and even fix them if I can. But, the current short term
release schedule,
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 20:16:54 +,
Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI graphics and
two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one appears to be able
to run Blender. You mention Airlie has continued
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
even fix them if I can. But,
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