On 09/29/2009 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:56:52PM +0200, Roman Rakus wrote:
On 09/29/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 03:46:52PM +0200, Roman Rakus wrote:
On 09/29/2009 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:56:52PM +0200, Roman Rakus wrote:
On 09/29/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 07:02:08PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Jeff Garzik jgar...@pobox.com writes:
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this is a net-negative for Fedora.
I think the same, but it's getting
Kevin Kofler, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:58:15 +0200:
Yes. It slowed down builds, and it often triggered bizarre build
failures which were NOT bugs in the program, but in the toolchain or in
some core library like glibc, which in turn delayed important updates to
the affected packages.
I.e., it was
Tom Lane wrote:
[ ppc64 horror story snipped ]
Well, I'm by no means wedded to ppc64; I just want *some* BE
architecture in the primary set. Maybe a reasonable compromise would be
to include ppc but not ppc64? That would cover basic BE portability
issues, if not the occasional
Richard W.M. Jones píše v Čt 01. 10. 2009 v 10:29 +0100:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 07:02:08PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Jeff Garzik jgar...@pobox.com writes:
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this is a
Jeff Garzik, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:55:56 -0400:
Both ppc and ppc64 have been excellent at catching software bugs in my
projects that long went unnoticed on i386/x86-64.
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:32:59AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
[ ppc64 horror story snipped ]
Well, I'm by no means wedded to ppc64; I just want *some* BE
architecture in the primary set. Maybe a reasonable compromise would be
to include ppc but not ppc64? That would
Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com writes:
Is ARM big endian?
It can be either. Intel's IXP4xx networking chips are usually running
BE since their internal network engines are BE-only and it's thus
more efficient.
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On 09/30/2009 08:47 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:26 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Was ppc really such a burden?
When it breaks and only it breaks, slowing down or delaying a release,
yes.
I know that last week several ppc people (IBM, etc) expressed alarm and concern
Matej Cepl wrote:
I.e., it was discovering bugs ... not in your program but in glibc, gcc,
etc. (I have experienced this couple of times with pspp on Sparc).
But usually in target-specific code.
Plus, it's not the toolchain's updates which get stalled, but the updates
for some package which
On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:49, Ric Wheeler rwhee...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/30/2009 08:47 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:26 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Was ppc really such a burden?
When it breaks and only it breaks, slowing down or delaying a
release,
yes.
I know that
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 07:45:22AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
I know that last week several ppc people (IBM, etc) expressed alarm
and concern about the demotion of ppc to a secondary arch. Most of
those people I pointed at Bill and Jesse who were staffing the fedora
booth.
Did we get
On Oct 1, 2009, at 7:58, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 07:45:22AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
I know that last week several ppc people (IBM, etc) expressed alarm
and concern about the demotion of ppc to a secondary arch. Most of
those people I pointed at Bill
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said:
But you're dodging the larger point -- Fedora has, de facto, demoted
big endian support in its entirety to a second-hand effort, rather
than distributed the workload much more widely. Given M package
maintainers and N secondary-platform volunteers, it is
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:10:51AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said:
But you're dodging the larger point -- Fedora has, de facto, demoted
big endian support in its entirety to a second-hand effort, rather
than distributed the workload much more widely. Given
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:
I know that last week several ppc people (IBM, etc) expressed alarm and
concern about the demotion of ppc to a secondary arch. Most of those people
I pointed at Bill and Jesse who were staffing the fedora booth.
2009/10/1 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at:
Jeff Garzik wrote:
Was ppc really such a burden?
Yes. It slowed down builds, and it often triggered bizarre build failures
which were NOT bugs in the program, but in the toolchain or in some core
library like glibc, which in turn delayed
On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:00, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote:
Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk writes:
Nice bug; this one is my favourite:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1308 -- PPC64 noarch builds
don't expand %{_libdir} to the correct place.
You absolutely *cannot* build Eclipse
John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com writes:
The IXP4xx networking engine operates big endian only. Nevertheless
many NSLU2 machines run little-endian and still use that networking
hardware.
With a performance penalty since all buffers have to be swapped.
Little-
endian operation of the CPU
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 06:42:08PM +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
Nice bug; this one is my favourite:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1308 -- PPC64 noarch builds
don't expand %{_libdir} to the correct place.
I'm pretty sure I have seen 'noarch builds shouldn't be using %{_libdir}'
repeated
2009/10/1 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 06:42:08PM +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
Nice bug; this one is my favourite:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1308 -- PPC64 noarch builds
don't expand %{_libdir} to the correct place.
I'm pretty sure I have seen 'noarch builds
On 09/28/2009 12:21 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
Hi All,
As of today, ppc and ppc64 are no longer primary architectures in koji starting
with the dist-f13 tag. This is in accordance with the FESCo approved demotion
of PowerPC starting with Fedora 13 development.
The dist-f12 and older tags continue
Jeff Garzik jgar...@pobox.com writes:
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this is a net-negative for Fedora.
I think the same, but it's getting harder to find PPC machines.
Is there another big-endian platform
Once upon a time, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com said:
Jeff Garzik jgar...@pobox.com writes:
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this is a net-negative for Fedora.
I think the same, but it's getting harder to find
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 07:02:08PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Jeff Garzik jgar...@pobox.com writes:
The lack of big endian builds by default is a notable loss, and will
lead to a decline in software quality.
I think this is a net-negative for Fedora.
I think the same, but it's getting harder to
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:26 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Was ppc really such a burden?
When it breaks and only it breaks, slowing down or delaying a release,
yes.
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Jeff Garzik wrote:
I would rather the problem be approached in a logical, scalable fashion:
by distributing the workload across the package maintainers who have
firsthand knowledge. ie. how things worked before.
But you're dodging the larger point -- Fedora has, de facto, demoted big
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Jeff Garzik wrote:
I would rather the problem be approached in a logical,
scalable fashion:
by distributing the workload across the package maintainers
who have
firsthand knowledge. ie. how things worked before.
PPC hardware isn't exactly
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at writes:
Jeff Garzik wrote:
But you're dodging the larger point -- Fedora has, de facto, demoted big
endian support in its entirety to a second-hand effort, rather than
distributed the workload much more widely. Given M package maintainers
and N
On 09/29/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
automagically?
Once the ppc builders are setup and running smoothly, successful build
requests on the primary arches will be
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:56:52PM +0200, Roman Rakus wrote:
On 09/29/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
automagically?
Once the ppc builders are setup and running
On 09/29/2009 04:48 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:56:52PM +0200, Roman Rakus wrote:
On 09/29/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
2009/9/28 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:
Hi All,
As of today, ppc and ppc64 are no longer primary architectures in koji
starting
with the dist-f13 tag. This is in accordance with the FESCo approved demotion
of PowerPC starting with Fedora 13 development.
The dist-f12 and older tags
the ppc will be replaced by something else ?
like ARM for example ?
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On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
automagically?
Once the ppc builders are setup and running smoothly, successful build
requests on the primary arches will be tried on the secondary arches,
which will include ppc.
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:02 -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
the ppc will be replaced by something else ?
like ARM for example ?
No, there is no other arch that is ready for primary status.
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
automagically?
Once the ppc builders are setup and running smoothly, successful build
requests on the
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:33:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:00 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
What do we have to do in order to build on PPC? Does it happen
automagically?
Once the ppc builders
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