Am Donnerstag, 28 Mai 2009 13:06:43 schrieb Simon Wesp:
SW I created a review with the FE-LEGAL blocker, because I didn't see this
SW email.
Lifted FE-Legal!
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503013
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does the upstream web site for evolution carries a note that it's not
suitable for certain group of users ?
does the maintainers or reviewers see that it should ?
am I the only one who knows that if p then q will evaluate to T when p=F
yes, I hope that no one in fedora project pack nudity images
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 12:44 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
yes, English is not my first language, and law is not one of my
interests, and for sure there exists a better phrasing of the page
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents
but nobody have shown me a serious
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
does the upstream web site for evolution carries a note that it's not
suitable for certain group of users ?
does the maintainers or reviewers see that it should ?
Read the lwn.net article about hot babe. The easily offended editor
mentioned that the
Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
some one asked me to pay the rating fees for every package!
If you want a professional rating, that's going to be your only option. It
seems clear to me from the discussion that nobody else around here is
interested in paying for an official rating of every single package
am I the only one who knows that if p then q will evaluate to T when p=F
As you neither did define the relation of T or F to either p or q your
proof is just a logical fallacy. I fear the same is true for your
inappropriateness-rating. It's full of fail.
the statement was like this if it was
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add
exclude for all of them in
fedora .repo files
sorry, but our users trust us [in ojuba.org spin] to provide packages
that respect our family values and moralities
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of packages like the above
p0rn-comfort, hot-babe, gnaughty
is there anything else ?
some how FLOSS projects lost their attitude, for example open arena
start putting a note: it may not be suitable for children under 17.
and their page contains a very offensive statement
If you want a game
The problem with a comps group is that it will lead to having a group
in graphical installers
although in ojuba we use ourown comps files, but this is a catastrophe
because they are merged!
I guess there is an option for hidden groups
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Mathieu Bridon
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:05:01AM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add
exclude for all of them in
fedora .repo files
sorry, but our users trust us [in ojuba.org spin] to
IMHO it is not Fedora's job to define family values moralities. Such
morals/values will vary all around the world
I don't want fedora to define such things, we have our own values predefined.
it should not make my job finding suck packages difficult
we have more than 10,000 packages in the
On 05/29/2009 03:00 PM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
IMHO it is not Fedora's job to define family values moralities. Such
morals/values will vary all around the world
I don't want fedora to define such things, we have our own values predefined.
it should not make my job finding suck packages
Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add
exclude for all of them in
fedora .repo files
sorry, but our users trust us [in ojuba.org spin] to provide packages
that respect our family values
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add
exclude for all of them in
fedora .repo files
sorry,
On Viernes 29 Mayo 2009 11:38:21 Rahul Sundaram escribió:
On 05/29/2009 03:00 PM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
IMHO it is not Fedora's job to define family values moralities. Such
morals/values will vary all around the world
I don't want fedora to define such things, we have our own values
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:30:45PM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
IMHO it is not Fedora's job to define family values moralities. Such
morals/values will vary all around the world
I don't want fedora to define such things, we have our own values predefined.
it should not make my job finding
On 05/29/2009 02:07 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
There is no video, only a few harmless static drawings in PNG format.
from : http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnaughty
Gnaughty is an utility to automatically download adult sex content,
i.e.
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH
chitlesh.goo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
Yes that is true , but it does not provide any support to view that
content, we have many other packages in Fedora which allows to
download content and they
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Movies in proprietary formats can be downloaded also with Firefox,
Transmission, wget, etc.
From the description of gnaughty I understand it can also download images,
which are in free formats, so the content is in
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
As you said, no opensource simulator, but we have opensource viewer :)
Fedora doesn't ship a video viewer which supports proprietary formats
out of the box.
For me this package goes to rpmfusion.
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Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
Yes that is true , but it does not provide any support to view that
content, we have many other packages in Fedora which allows to
download content and they download whatever format the site is
providing, how the
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:40:36PM +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Movies in proprietary formats can be downloaded also with Firefox,
Transmission, wget, etc.
From the description of gnaughty I understand it can also
On Viernes 29 Mayo 2009 13:40:36 Chitlesh GOORAH escribió:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro
wrote:
Movies in proprietary formats can be downloaded also with Firefox,
Transmission, wget, etc.
From the description of gnaughty I understand it can also
On 05/29/2009 05:21 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
!
One interesting thing - does it download free content? Are there some porn
sites under CC licence? Free culture, by community for community...
There is and no, I am not linking to them, here.
Rahul
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH
chitlesh.goo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Internet is for porn...
Sorry I don't know this software but as someone already pointed - it's
opensource, it can be used to download other content. It's
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
Debian action
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:11 PM, sankarshan wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
We don't currently have any
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
IMHO it is not Fedora's job to define family values moralities.
Such morals/values will vary all around the world, such that no
single list Fedora makes would be satisfactory. If a derived spin
wants to define a set of morals values then the burden should be
on
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Florian Festi ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Following your logic, OVM should enter fedora collection as well. !!
It really doesn't matter how often you repeat a wrong sentence.
There are different rules that do apply to code and content in
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:20 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:05:01AM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing all of them so that we can add
exclude for all of them in
fedora
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
True. Someone should ask the question: does it make sense to have
different rules if they prevent the inclusion of useful content and
allow the inclusion of useless code?
Which is useless to me can be very useful to someone else.
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Simo Sorce sso...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:20 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:05:01AM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
in case you have accepted to put such packages in the repo
please maintain a wiki page listing
Dennis J., Thu, 28 May 2009 21:02:05 +0200:
Murder is a crime, pornography isn't
There are many states (including many states of USA) where it is.
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
True. Someone should ask the question: does it make sense to have
different rules if they prevent the inclusion of useful content and
allow the inclusion of
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:08:21PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The problem, how do we determine what is offensive to any particular
group? Some people consider 3D shooter games offensive. This is slippery
slope. Unless there is a legal issue, I believe Fedora is going to end
up with that
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 01:24:14PM +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
No, it doesn't (not till it is approved) not depend on the user's
choice. My package OVM was blocked by FESCo because there was no
opensource simulator. So if the downloaded videos aren't under an
opensource compatible format,
inode0 wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
True. Someone should ask the question: does it make sense to have
different rules if they prevent the inclusion of useful content and
allow the
If you're going to maintain a spin for a like-minded community (like
ojuba.org is)
have you took a look to the proposal ?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents
where does it mention anything about the alike-minded community of
fanatic government censorship
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 16:28 +0200, Dennis J. wrote:
On 05/29/2009 03:27 PM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
Where do you anything about family values and moralities in Fedora's
mission statement? I see statements about software being free to use,
that's why I said us [in ojuba.org] as I'm member
or not.
Labeling certain content 'questionable' is going to end up being all over
the distro and diluting the value of the tag.
Let me put it this way - if we start randomly rating things in a provides
tag and gnaughty or hot-babe or pr0n-comfort get labeled this way then
I'll make sure I
and gnaughty or hot-babe or pr0n-comfort get labeled this way then
I'll make sure I personally add the same tag to:
- firefox
- yum
- sword
- gnome-sword
And every email client, because I'm spammed by countless messages
offering adult content every day :-(
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
it's the job for those who care to check this list and take their own
subset from it according to their own definition.
Couldn't it be the job of those who care to maintain this list in the
first
We had a really long debate about this package in #fedora-devel
yesterday and it basically boils down to
1) Need fedora-legal to check the legality of the app not verifying
user's age and legality of the URL of the site being in the C source.
2) If fedora-legal say it is legal, then its up to the
On 05/29/2009 04:24 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
Yes that is true , but it does not provide any support to view that
content, we have many other packages in Fedora which allows to
download content and they download whatever format the site is
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Adam Miller wrote:
We had a really long debate about this package in #fedora-devel
yesterday and it basically boils down to
1) Need fedora-legal to check the legality of the app not verifying
On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:03:59 +0300
Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
as I said I don't want you to tag them I want you to limit the list
for me from more than 10,000 package which increases at arbitrary time
to tens of packages on a wiki that I can //watch// (a feature of the
wiki)
Deciding whether to
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 11:02 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
- firefox
- yum
These are a bit rediculous and you know it. Neither of these come
pre-configured to get to the content. You have to actively seek it out.
gnaughty doesn't require that, it's
inode0 wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Florian Festi ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
inode0 wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote:
True. Someone should ask the question: does it make sense
- yum
as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false positives
Couldn't it be the job of those who care to maintain this list in the
first place ?
no problem, just give me a procedural way other than watching all
packages in pkgdb [so that I catch them before they are submitted to
the
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:51 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Sorry I don't know this software but as someone already pointed - it's
opensource, it can be used to download other content.
Actually it can't. It's hard coded to download the porn from one
specific website that acts as a porn
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 12:50 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
It is not Fedora's place to police *usage* of apps, only whether the
app
or package has a compliant license and follows the defined packaging
legal rules. If the tool were directly
Very long thread deleted.
Could we all cool it a bit and think for a bit about the following questions
1) Does this discussion need to occur right before a release where
there are bigger problems to test/find.
2) Are we discussing anything. People are stating their points of view
but its all a
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
stop censorship conspiracy theory.
I don't care what does the the law in US, UK, AU say
I care about the little daughter of some brother in this universe.
just so we're clear - you might want to be careful about the use of
the word demand. At
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Muayyad AlSadi als...@gmail.com wrote:
- yum
as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false positives
Demand, again, has he learned anything? This is ridiculous, somebody ban
this guy.
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* Muayyad AlSadi [29/05/2009 18:08] :
as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false positives
That's simple.
Treat all packages in the repo as having inappropriate content.
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Florian Festi ffe...@redhat.com wrote:
inode0 wrote:
To lead the advancement of free and open source software and content
as a collaborative community.
That is the mission statement of what project?
The Fedora Project with is close but not exactly the same
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 12:02 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
and I think the distinction being made is that the bookmarks and menu
items are content-only, not software.
So an application that reads the included above mentioned bookmarks to
let you click to go to those sites is OK? Bookmarks alone,
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On 05/29/2009 08:40 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
we're on a silly slope and putting provides tags into certain pkgs is
just plain dumb - wanna put a wiki page up - that's fine.
polluting provides tags is not a good plan.
Here's a proposal then:
Dr. Diesel wrote:
Demand, again, has he learned anything? This is ridiculous, somebody ban
this guy.
That's just the language barrier. E.g. in French, demander is more
like request than demand. English is clearly not his first language,
possibly not even his second language, I don't think he
On 05/29/2009 04:34 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dennis J. (denni...@conversis.de) said:
I wrote a proposal
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents
I don't think you can just flag Packages as inappropriate because
everyone has his own definition for that term. If
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 11:09 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Muayyad AlSadi als...@gmail.com
wrote:
- yum
as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false
positives
Demand, again, has he learned anything? This is
or some sort of power.
hmmm, I guess it's the power of friendship :-)
seriously, I'm sorry, I did not meant it like that,
no problem, I request that whenever someone pack a package that he
does not want his 8 years old daughter to add it to the list
as I don't care for false positives like
Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
- yum
as I said I demand for a list even if it's with false positives
Couldn't it be the job of those who care to maintain this list in the
first place ?
no problem, just give me a procedural way other than watching all
packages in pkgdb [so that I catch
On Fri, 29 May 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 12:02 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
and I think the distinction being made is that the bookmarks and menu
items are content-only, not software.
So an application that reads the included above mentioned bookmarks to
let you click
don't think of that list/tags as censor ship,it's just an advice from a friend.
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it is obvious that something contains a flag or not.
Labeling certain content 'questionable' is going to end up being all
over the distro and diluting the value of the tag.
Let me put it this way - if we start randomly rating things in a
provides tag and gnaughty or hot-babe or pr0n-comfort get
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 17:40 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
no I mean inspecting a list of tens of packages would be much simpler
than inspecting all the tens of thousands of packages
You're just transferring the work. In order to *generate* the list of
tens of packages to make _your_ life
Dennis J. (denni...@conversis.de) said:
At which point, you need some sort of review board, where then every
package gets something like:
- TuxPaint is rated E for Everyone
- quake3 is rated T for violent content
- tcl is rated M for inappropriate language
I'm going to go out on a limb
You're just transferring the work. In order to *generate* the list of
tens of packages to make _your_ life easier, someone else has to inspect
the tens of thousands of packages.
and the someone else you refer to is fedora censorship board!
no no like that,
I asked for a unified place to put
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 19:49 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
You're just transferring the work. In order to *generate* the list of
tens of packages to make _your_ life easier, someone else has to inspect
the tens of thousands of packages.
and the someone else you refer to is fedora censorship
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:00 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
Then do you find it OK to package up a bunch of packages that provide
nothing but gnome or KDE menu entries that launch porn internet sites?
I am heartily interested in your ideas and wish to read your pamphlet!
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On 05/29/2009 06:48 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dennis J. (denni...@conversis.de) said:
At which point, you need some sort of review board, where then every
package gets something like:
- TuxPaint is rated E for Everyone
- quake3 is rated T for violent content
- tcl is rated M for inappropriate
You're just transferring the work. In order to *generate* the list of
tens of packages to make _your_ life easier, someone else has to inspect
the tens of thousands of packages.
I forgot to mention that I'm not the only one who cares
think of OLPC having a pre-installed something similar to
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:30 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 11:15 +0100, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote:
But I think morality it is delving away from fedora,
unless it is global socially objectionable,
maybe Child-Porn.
I see this is this week's merry train-wreck of
it's a wiki page, if the packager was unwilling to put such
classification then he have no right to stop the reviewer from editing
the wiki page and if they both where unwilling to do so, they both
have no right from stopping the first offended user from editing the
wiki page, that's all.
so
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:55 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
I think this is the main point Muayyad should understand.
Muayyad, if you feel this sort of filtering is necessary then
you simply can't trust others to do it.
Even if they had any interest in doing it because they may simply not
So I'm afraid that in the end, you (and those who care) will be the ones
maintaining such a list.
NP, how about calling that wiki page InappropriatePackagesAdvisory ?
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On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 22:22 +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
Or even better: you can create your own spin / distribution with the
packages you find detestable removed. Simply start from a minimal
install and add only the packages you need.
You don't seem to have followed the discussion from the
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 21:52, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
So I'm afraid that in the end, you (and those who care) will be the ones
maintaining such a list.
NP, how about calling that wiki page InappropriatePackagesAdvisory ?
Don't tie words together, separate them with spaces (MediaWiki will
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 02:28:57PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:58:10AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 19:49 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
You're just transferring the work. In order to *generate* the list of
tens of packages to make _your_ life
Jussi Lehtola wrote:
For instance, creationists might consider anything that has to do with
evolution (such as evolution simulations or gene programs) as
controversial
Or even the mail client which happens to be called Evolution.
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On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Or even the mail client which happens to be called Evolution.
I know for a fact that said mail client is a product of intelligent
design...so that should take the edge of that particular debate.
-jefnice threadjacking
Hi
My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
Debian action to hot babe
http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/
I wanted to asked first, is this
Michael Fleming mflem...@thatfleminggent.com wrotes:
MF Hm. interesting case.
MF I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
MF remotely resembling depiction here.
personally I am torn between 'go' and 'no-go'
the guidelines says:
Content must not be pornographic, or
I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
remotely resembling depiction here.
It's essentially a download tool a la aria2/d4x/gwget with a particular
focus/niche and in my opinion fairly innocuous. The author is pretty
up-front about what it is and what it's for - if
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:13:32PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
My packaging survey turned up a interesting suggestion
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-May/msg01809.html
We don't currently have any guidelines covering this but considering the
Debian action to hot
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) boche...@fedoraproject.org wrotes:
MB And it looks like we have a precedent...
MB https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/p0rn-comfort
mh, cool! ;-)
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On 05/28/2009 03:23 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote:
Would a cc to legal be in order?
As a just in case.
It is blocking FE-Legal already.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503013
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On 05/28/2009 01:06 PM, Simon Wesp wrote:
Michael Flemingmflem...@thatfleminggent.com wrotes:
MF Hm. interesting case.
MF I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even
MF remotely resembling depiction here.
personally I am torn between 'go' and 'no-go'
the guidelines
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