Re: Environments Doc

2008-09-09 Thread Bret McMillan
Mike McGrath wrote: Collab1 is a server focused around our collaboration tools. Right now it has some mailing lists and a sobby server. It will probably also have our pastebin in the future once it gets ready. Cool, definitely sounds like I need to ping you more online about this. Next

Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread susmit shannigrahi
Hi, This is w.r.t to ticket #714[1]. As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or updated for last six months. Here is the list of projects, which falls into this category and they will soon be removed.

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Mike McGrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: [1]https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/714 So I guess the best thing from here is to send an email to each group notifying them of what has happened and why we'd like to remove their project. tell them how to get the code off if

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:33 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or updated for last six months. Hmmm -- this seems a little problematic. It's definitely possible to have a mature project which

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:33 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or updated for last six months. Hmmm -- this seems a little problematic. It's definitely

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Debarshi Ray
As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or updated for last six months. I am pleasantly suprised to see that Opyum is not in that list. :-) The thing with Opyum is that its functionality has been very nicely ported to PackageKit by

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:02:04PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:33 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or updated for last six months. Hmmm -- this seems a little

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Weller
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:20:25PM +0530, Debarshi Ray wrote: The thing with Opyum is that its functionality has been very nicely ported to PackageKit by one of my friends during this year's Google Summer of Code. Fedora 8 still caries Opyum, but its useless for Fedora 9 and onwards. I just

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:20:25PM +0530, Debarshi Ray wrote: The thing with Opyum is that its functionality has been very nicely ported to PackageKit by one of my friends during this year's Google Summer of Code. Fedora 8 still caries Opyum, but its

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Weller
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 03:35:41PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: This is one of the things we're hoping to prevent with fedorahosted. The hope is that the fedorahosted brand will be known for good, active projects. Not vaporware. We'll certainly be contacting the project members and let them

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 03:35:41PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: This is one of the things we're hoping to prevent with fedorahosted. The hope is that the fedorahosted brand will be known for good, active projects. Not vaporware. We'll certainly be

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:35:56PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:02:04PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:33 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: As explained by mmcgrath, Fedora has a policy to remove _any_ hosted projects that are not altered or

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Robin Norwood
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general from the infrastructure side I'd say we want to keep the barrier to enter low but the quality high. Certainly there's projects that don't need to be updated every 6 months but we can identify those and deal

RE: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Brett Lentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:fedora- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Norwood Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:11 PM To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general from the infrastructure side I'd say we want to keep the barrier to enter low but the quality high. Certainly there's projects that don't need to be updated every 6

RE: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Brett Lentz wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:fedora- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Norwood Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:11 PM To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted. On

RE: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Brett Lentz wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:fedora- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Norwood Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:11 PM To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted. On

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Robin Norwood
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, the terms of use are already pretty clear. And no one has provided a compelling reason to keep these projects around, just lots of suggestions on how to keep them around. Deleted is what we want, not delisted or

RE: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Brett Lentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:fedora- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike McGrath Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:37 PM To: Fedora Infrastructure Subject: RE: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted. On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Brett Lentz wrote:

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, the terms of use are already pretty clear. And no one has provided a compelling reason to keep these projects around, just lots of suggestions on how to keep them around.

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general from the infrastructure side I'd say we want to keep the barrier to enter low but the quality high. Certainly

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general from the infrastructure side I'd say we want to keep the barrier to

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Nigel Jones
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 22:11 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 20:34 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general from the infrastructure side I'd say we want to keep the

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:02 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, the terms of use are already pretty clear. And no one has provided a compelling reason to keep these projects

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:02 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, the terms of use are already pretty clear. And no one has

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:20 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: I don't see why that project would get removed. I really think I'm getting misunderstood here. I think that part of the misunderstanding is that I don't see six months as equivalent to stale. We're not even to the seven year point of RHEL

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:33 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:02 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, the terms

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:20 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: I don't see why that project would get removed. I really think I'm getting misunderstood here. I think that part of the misunderstanding is that I don't see six months as equivalent to stale.

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: Backups, time to maintain, bandwidth for the backups, testing when we make changes, people to notify should our Infrastructure get compromised again, etc, the unknown. Backups really are equivalent to disk space. Testing for changes -- maybe. But

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: Backups, time to maintain, bandwidth for the backups, testing when we make changes, people to notify should our Infrastructure get compromised again, etc, the unknown. Backups really are equivalent to

Re: Removal of old projects from fedorahosted.

2008-09-09 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:33 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 21:02 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Mike McGrath