Re: Fedora 13 Release Name Voting Information

2009-11-27 Thread Nigel Jones
- Nigel Jones nigjo...@redhat.com wrote: The options for this vote are in alphabetical order: Botany Gloriana Goddard Langstorm Loana Manfredi Truro It seems there was a small mistake in the spelling of Langstrom in my previous announcement and in the voting application.

php.spec - configure needs to be removed before buildconf is called?!

2009-11-27 Thread Tim Richert
I've tried building current PHP (5.3.1) with suhosin-patch. This fails with checking for libedit readline replacement... yes configure: error: Please reinstall libedit - I cannot find readline.h I figured out that the php-5.3.0-libedit.patch patches config.m4 and changes

Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Panu Matilainen
It's that time of year again... we're planning on getting a brand new RPM version into Fedora 13. While the feature submission is being processed and public beta being prepared, we'd like to get some extra testing of the new RPM to catch out any remaining wrinkles our own testing hasn't

Re: memset bugs.

2009-11-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Roopesh Majeti roopesh.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Iam new to this fedora world.. a small question on the below discussion: It is mentioned that having, zero in the third argument is legitimate use cases. Can somebody direct me to such a use case, as i

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:05 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: For an idea what to expect, see the draft release notes at http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.8.0 Ordered package erasures, excellent. C. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:18 +, Alex Hudson wrote: On 27/11/09 06:08, Dave Airlie wrote: Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have. I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point as it makes things worse rather than better. If you

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +, Terry

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 11/26/2009 10:12 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really be working on all cards in 2009 ... But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really be working on all cards in 2009 ... But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and so a much wider scope for the testing

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-27 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 25.11.2009 10:03, Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): If Matěj and others do their part I'll help them but that's all). So I suppose the only remaining course of action is to: When we are clear now, I want to be clear as well ... IMHO, fixing these bugs (http://is.gd/52X4m) is at least a week of

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 11/26/2009 10:14 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +, Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote: I

Re: abrt and bugzilla

2009-11-27 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 20.11.2009 12:24, Matthew Booth napsal(a): To get useful bug reports from the unwashed masses we need anonymous submission, or at least submission which doesn't require any kind of account creation or authentication. If somebody with sufficient Perl-foo would help to fix

Re: Bug triage: further change upcoming

2009-11-27 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 24.11.2009 18:02, Adam Williamson napsal(a): So, we've come up with a plan. With the help of David Lawrence we propose to add the Triaged keyword to all existing F10-F12 bugs that are in ASSIGNED state, with the exception of anaconda bugs, PackageReview bugs and FutureFeature bugs. If

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: 3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature that should be working. You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for. -- The husband

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:46:32PM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: If you mean the original bitmap oriented fonts of X11, so they are several reasons to avoid the usage of this kinds of fonts. The may issue with this fonts is, that they are not scaleable to any size you want. So what - perhaps

Re: memset bugs.

2009-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group,

rawhide report: 20091127 changes

2009-11-27 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Nov 27 08:15:06 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 -- anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686 requires libevolution-mail-shared.so.0 anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686 requires libefilterbar.so.0 blacs-mpich2-1.1-33.fc12.i686

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-27 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 27.11.2009 11:56, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): Just because Xft fonts are better does not mean core fonts are useless. Sure, nobody said that. If you need them, you are very free in helping to (re-)package them. Matěj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/, Jabber: mceplatceplovi.cz GPG

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:05:10AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not I'm in. :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:11:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not I'm in. :) file /usr/lib/rpm/ocaml-find-provides.sh from install of

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:11:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not I'm in. :) file

GrNotify is dead

2009-11-27 Thread Guillaume Kulakowski
Hi, I package GrNotify but the project is dead. I have reported some bug to upstream and I have proposed some patch but no new release since 9 months. I think remove it from Fedora but I don't know any replacement solution. That do you think about this ? -- Jabber/Gtalk : llaum...@gmail.com

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Nov 24, 2009, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386. If we're going to rename directories to match base arches... How about using “x86_32”? -- Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighterhttp://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/ You must be the change you wish to

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread John Poelstra
Panu Matilainen said the following on 11/27/2009 12:05 AM Pacific Time: It's that time of year again... we're planning on getting a brand new RPM version into Fedora 13. While the feature submission is being processed and public beta being prepared, we'd like to get some extra testing of the

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-27 Thread Andre Robatino
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386. If we're going to rename directories to match base arches... How about using “x86_32”? Not only does it not match uname, but it's not specific - is it i386, i586, i686? I'd like to see the install images named i686 like the

Re: [RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-27 Thread Sir Gallantmon
I think it's just an i386 kernel, since they do offer an x86_64 (which they call amd64) version that has all 64-bit. generic just refers to being the baseline kernel for the distribution. Both amd64 and i386 have generic kernels and packages that add onto it in Ubuntu. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at

Re: memset bugs.

2009-11-27 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead- code causing place-holder. Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from something else.

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 09:35 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: Also mentioned then I thought it would be good to have a basic, and simple for users, graphics testing system to easily allow users to test and feedback issues. Even if this is simply a short list of 2D/3D applications and a list of

Re: Bug triage: further change upcoming

2009-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:08 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 24.11.2009 18:02, Adam Williamson napsal(a): So, we've come up with a plan. With the help of David Lawrence we propose to add the Triaged keyword to all existing F10-F12 bugs that are in ASSIGNED state, with the exception of anaconda

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote: Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point. I think one thing that is changing expectations is ATI providing

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-27 Thread Jerry James
2009/11/25 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: 5. The real users of this stuff never contributed a bit to this maintenance, avoid answering questions when people ask something about it, refused to write packaging guidelines to help others do this work for them when (repeatedly)

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule Is there a calendar page for that that sunbird can use? I remember running across one for F12, but I don't remember where I found it. -- fedora-devel-list

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: Hi, I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system. I did feed back this. Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, that

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/27/2009 11:38 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have. I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point That makes sense. Why don't we drop this from Rawhide? Shipping unsupported drivers like this is

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: 3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature that should be working. You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread stefan riemens
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful without 3d support... 2009/11/27, drago01 drag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/27 10:28

license issue - combining gplv2 and lgpl sources in a single rpm

2009-11-27 Thread Carl Byington
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am packaging rasmol. The rasmol source has a dual GPLv2/RASMOL license, so for Fedora we can consider that it is licensed gplv2. There are some libraries that are included that are licensed lgpl. Clearly, the finished rasmol binary is gplv2 since

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:02 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Nov

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 13:42 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote: Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point. I think

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote: Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful without 3d support... Note that gnome-shell working was quite high in Dave's priority list (within

Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Sam Varshavchik
I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software Development option. Emacs did not get installed. Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended up with a huge number of -devel packages, many of whom, from my

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote: Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful without 3d support... 3D driver for r600 is 35,000 lines just the chipset specific code, Another

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software Development option. Emacs did not get installed. Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended up with a huge

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at least doing more and more regression test work lately so less and less crap is making it way into the mainline and

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at least doing more and more regression test work lately

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/27 21:21 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:52:25 -0500 Felix Miata composed: On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: 3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature that should be working. You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote: What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop users. I didn't use the word useless. And yes, 3D is way more - way more overhead, way more

Re: GrNotify is dead

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/27/2009 10:29 PM, Guillaume Kulakowski wrote: Hi, I package GrNotify but the project is dead. I have reported some bug to upstream and I have proposed some patch but no new release since 9 months. I think remove it from Fedora but I don't know any replacement solution. That do you

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Debayan Banerjee
2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org: Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is certainly not needed for software development. Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user bases, chosing emacs over vim

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Rahul Sundaram writes: On 11/28/2009 02:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software Development option. Emacs did not get installed. Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Debayan Banerjee writes: 2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org: Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is certainly not needed for software development. Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:32 AM, Debayan Banerjee wrote: 2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is certainly not needed for software development. Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs have roughly equal user

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote: What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote: What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread John Poelstra
Bruno Wolff III said the following on 11/27/2009 11:59 AM Pacific Time: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule Is there a calendar page for that that sunbird can use? I remember running across one

Re: Looking for testers: RPM 4.8 pre-release snapshots available

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 03:14 AM, John Poelstra wrote: Bruno Wolff III said the following on 11/27/2009 11:59 AM Pacific Time: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule Is there a calendar page for that that

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere. Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg. Times and expectations change. Physics don't. A

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere. Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Debayan Banerjee
2009/11/28 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net: Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of electrical energy than 2D to produce. lol. That was truly funny (and true)! -- Regards, Debayan

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very surprised. Just watch. Good thing all puters don't depend on batteries for power. -- The husband

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 16:06 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Let's say I want to do software development. I make an appropriate selection when intalling Fedora 12. What editor am I expected to use? The development group in comps does not list any editor by default. Those come from the Editors

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
3D cannot be essential to users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush. How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are* essential to them. A friend of mine has an old computer, which is « turned into unresponsive mush » by 3D, as you say.

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Sir Gallantmon
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote: 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of electrical energy than 2D to produce. I don't expect that to change, and even if it does, using more

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd.  In a year, if we don't have a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very surprised. Just watch.

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:32:04 +0100 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd.  In a year, if we don't have a composited

root's ssh-agent $SSH_AUTH_SOCK

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Airs
Good evening all, I've setup an authorized key for a server I regularly use, but when I tried to run ssh-add as root, it wouldn't work until I had copied the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable from my normal user. I wonder if anyone can tell me the correct way get this variable set

Re: root's ssh-agent $SSH_AUTH_SOCK

2009-11-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:10:20AM +, Martin Airs wrote: I've setup an authorized key for a server I regularly use, but when I tried to run ssh-add as root, it wouldn't work until I had copied the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable from my normal user. Wait, back up a second. Well, two

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:02 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote: 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 14:48 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 16:06 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Let's say I want to do software development. I make an appropriate selection when intalling Fedora 12. What editor am I expected to use? The development group in comps

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Sir Gallantmon
I can't seem to invoke emacs even when I have it installed. Every time I do, it says the command isn't found. I had to go and find it and add a symlink to the $HOME/bin folder so that it would work... I know that shouldn't be happening... On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Braden McDaniel

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: I'm an emacs user who's nearly completely useless in vi.  But, really... it just doesn't matter if emacs isn't installed by default.  If you want it, you know how to get it.  And let's be frank: emacs is not something that a user who is

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On 11/27/09, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote: Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful without 3d support... Note that

Re: Fedora 12: Emacs is not for software development

2009-11-27 Thread Iain Arnell
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com said: I wish vi had some tutorial the way emacs does, so one don't get lost in it. In vim, hit F1. Gives me GNOME Terminal Manual :( But you can always run vimtutor

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: Hi, I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system. I did feed back this. Right...that is

F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web

2009-11-27 Thread Terry Barnaby
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network connection, then Firefox starts up in offline mode. Is this a bug in NetworkManager or Firefox ? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

[Bug 541888] New: Fontforge crashes when loading font

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Fontforge crashes when loading font https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541888 Summary: Fontforge crashes when loading font Product: Fedora

[Bug 541888] Fontforge crashes when loading font

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541888 Kevin Fenzi ke...@tummy.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 536724] [ta_IN]problem with character 0BB7

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=536724 --- Comment #9 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-11-27 17:01:17 EDT ---

[Bug 536724] [ta_IN]problem with character 0BB7

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 531201] Spacing problem in Telugu [te_IN] text, required more space between words.

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 531201] Spacing problem in Telugu [te_IN] text, required more space between words.

2009-11-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531201 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-11-27 17:08:20 EDT ---

Re: Intro

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 02:26 AM, John Stanton wrote: Hi, I always suck at these things, but here goes. I have been using Fedora for the past year and am loving it. I am looking to gain more experience and skills. Also I am wanting to contribute however I can to the fedora project. I can also

Re: introduction

2009-11-27 Thread Mike McGrath
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Mike Maravillo wrote: Hi everyone, My name is Mike Maravillo and I'd like to join the Fedora community, particularly the Infrastructure group. I started using Linux way back with Slackware 3.0 as a system administrator for a local ISP in the Philippines. Since then,

Re: introduction

2009-11-27 Thread Mike Maravillo
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Are you primarly looking to do administration or development?  Have you seen our getting started page?  - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted Hi Mike, I was thinking of doing administration and

CSRF protection done!

2009-11-27 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
I'd just like to say thanks to G_work, mdomsch, lmacken, ricky, ivazquez, mikem, and mbonnet. Thanks to the efforts of all of these people we have finally succeeded in adding csrf protection to all of the web apps we've coded for infrastructure[1]_. Congratulations guys on closing a security

[Fedora-legal-list] FC12: rsync-3.0.6: GPLv2 and GPLv3 and GPLv3+ ?

2009-11-27 Thread Julius Davies
rsync's RPM says it is gplv3+. But rsync-3.0.6/getgroups.c;GPLv3 rsync-3.0.6/testhelp/maketree.py;GPLv2 The rest of the source is mostly GPLv3+ with some ZLIB. The maketree.py file doesn't seem too important. I ran it for fun by just typing: python maketree.py And now I have 688MB of

Re: buffer overflow in system-config-httpd

2009-11-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: system-config-httpd-1.4.6-1.fc12.noarch appears to be badly borked: # system-config-httpd *** buffer overflow detected ***; /usr/bin/python terminated === Backtrace: = ... long backtrace ... 3743809000-374380a000 rw-p 9000 08:02 353257

Re: buffer overflow in system-config-httpd

2009-11-27 Thread Jatin K
On 11/27/2009 01:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: system-config-httpd-1.4.6-1.fc12.noarch appears to be badly borked: # system-config-httpd *** buffer overflow detected ***; /usr/bin/python terminated === Backtrace: = ... long backtrace ...

abrt fail :(

2009-11-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
I got empathy crash that I liked to report via abrt but it fails with this message: XML-RPC Fault: libcurl failed to execute the HTTP POST transaction. Any suggestions? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality,

Re: Reorganising F11 partitions - how to?

2009-11-27 Thread DB
On 11/27/2009 07:00 AM, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 19:19 +0100, DB wrote: When I first installed F11 on the laptop, I setup several partitions (suggestions from O'Reilly's running Linux...), which now doesn't seem such a good idea or necessary idea. Not knowing exactly what

Re: F12 install looses ext3 fs

2009-11-27 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 17:52 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Installation of Fedora 12 (ie., not update) went well except that it does not recognize two partitions that had ext3 file systems. Any ideas on recovering? Please define does not recognize. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor

F12 KDE questions

2009-11-27 Thread Mick M.
Hello list; I am running KDE under F12. When I download a filel I get a popup in the upper right hand corner that tells me it has finished downloading. This is in the way. I prefer the F11 stack above the I/O box in the lower right hand corner- how do I revert to this? Sometimes all the

Faxing suggestions

2009-11-27 Thread Gary Stainburn
Hi folks, For the first time in ages I'm setting up a network fax facility. Last time I did this I used hylafax, but doing a yum search doesn't show this any more. Before I start looking any deeper, are there (better) alternatives out there? The plan is to the PBX's at each site to redirect

Re: buffer overflow in system-config-httpd

2009-11-27 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Robert G. (Doc) Savage writes: system-config-httpd-1.4.6-1.fc12.noarch appears to be badly borked: # system-config-httpd *** buffer overflow detected ***; /usr/bin/python terminated === Backtrace: = ... long backtrace ... 3743809000-374380a000 rw-p 9000 08:02 353257

Re: F12 EEEPC 1000H WLAN with hidden SSID no go

2009-11-27 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Tim wrote: Tim: And the lack of a name doesn't prevent anyone from using it. Robert Moskowitz: No. You MUST have the name to associate with the AP. But all you have to do is force a current user of the AP to reassociate to get the name. There are now attack tools that will do

psacct/lastcomm shows allways root as user

2009-11-27 Thread Herbert Gasiorowski
On Fedora 12 lastcomm only shows root user, even for commands from other users. It seems to me that e.g. my uid is not within the /var/account/pacct file - it is allways zero - thus root. It all works fine with fedora 11. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Why is there no 32 bit version of firefox available for 64bit F12?

2009-11-27 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having strange behaviour with 64bit firefox and the 64bit beta version of Adobe flash.  So I want to try the 32bit version of firefox with the 32bit flash from Adobe, but there in 32 bit version of firefox available

Default keyring for NetworkManager

2009-11-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On each boot nm-applet is asking me for a default keyring password in order to get to the WPA key for my wireless. I have looked around to find something that manages this keyring in order to configure it to allow this access automatically, but to no avail. Finally, I found some instructions

Re: Why is there no 32 bit version of firefox available for 64bit F12?

2009-11-27 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having strange behaviour with 64bit firefox and the 64bit beta version of Adobe flash.  So I want to try the 32bit version of firefox with the 32bit flash from Adobe,

Re: Why is there no 32 bit version of firefox available for 64bit F12?

2009-11-27 Thread Ian Malone
2009/11/27 Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having strange behaviour with 64bit firefox and the 64bit beta version of Adobe flash.  So I want to try the 32bit

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