Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-23 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: [please excuse delay in replying. i was waiting for noise level to drop] > Needham and Schroeder famously said that anyone who thinks his problem will > be solved by cryptography hasn't understood his problem, and hasn't > understood cryptography. i am not familiar w

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-23 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Misha Shnurapet wrote: > Am I signing my messages correctly? > Yes. It shows as a untrusted good signature. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-23 Thread Misha Shnurapet
Am I signing my messages correctly? -- Misha Shnurapet °v° I ♥ Linux /(_)\ Download the free operating system here: ^ ^ http://fedoraproject.org signature.asc Description: Эта часть сообщения подписана цифровой подписью -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To uns

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 18:14:57 -0400, "Steven W. Orr" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > The Enigmail package gets added to Thunderbird and provides the human > interface to GnuPG. Enigmail does provide a setting on a per addressbook entry > for whether messages sent TO that add

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:17:05 -0400, David wrote: > > My request, it was never a demand in spite of what others have said, was > to publish the key or not sign to the list. And I used the word 'please' > twice. Several users have agreed with me. And several users have agree > with him. Fair

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-14 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/14/09 11:17, quoth David: > On 7/14/2009 8:24 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 14:04:11 -0400, >> "Steven W. Orr" wrote: >>> But what G did was much worse. He insisted on putting a little bomb in his >>> mail that causes a

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-14 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/14/2009 8:24 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 14:04:11 -0400, > "Steven W. Orr" wrote: >> >> But what G did was much worse. He insisted on putting a little bomb in his >> mail that causes a number of us to just plain hang fo

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 14:04:11 -0400, "Steven W. Orr" wrote: > > But what G did was much worse. He insisted on putting a little bomb in his > mail that causes a number of us to just plain hang for periods that are > measured in minutes, not just once, but for every message that he sends and >

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread g
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's > preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not > display text/html parts inline). i do have thunderbird set to 'view as text'. i was just making light comment of fennix u

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I wasn't commenting on the list guidelines. I was trying to help someone that > appeared to be seeing html when he would have preferred to have seen the > included plain text part. That might be useful for him in general, not just > on the Fedora lists. > LOL - somehow

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Aldo Foot
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM, g wrote: > Fennix wrote: > >> Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this.  G does not write often but >> does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution > > i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :) > > i am not awar

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 15:06:57 -0500, "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's > > preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not > > display text/html parts inline). > > >

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Aldo Foot
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Steven W. Orr wrote: >> On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: >> >>> You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's >>> public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone >>> wanted to be nasty, they coul

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > It was a multipart message. You should be able to override the sender's > preference and display text/plain in preference to text/html (or just not > display text/html parts inline). > > That way even though the extra bandwidth is wasted, you at least get to see > the

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 19:17:48 +, g wrote: > Fennix wrote: > > > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this. G does not write often but > > does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution > > i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :) It

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 18:53 +, g wrote: > if you are still in question as to advantage of pgp sigs, i would be > happy > to look for it and post it so that all can see that there are times > when > having a pgp sig does work. Whether it works or not is not the issue. The issue is "what does it

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Steven W. Orr wrote: > On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: > >> You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's >> public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone >> wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his >> email address. Then if there

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread g
Fennix wrote: > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this. G does not write often but > does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution i thank you for your support. even if it was 'text/html'. :) i am not aware of 'karl', from what you say about him, i appreciate

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The whole point of PGP-style signatures is the "web of trust". If you true. tho, if you email someone and they send you their pgp sig, then you can feel reasonably certain that pgp sig is from them. > The point of key servers is not to verify anything, it's to make k

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/13/09 14:21, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: > You know, there is a simple fix to this - someone that has G's > public key could upload it to a keyserver. Now, if someone > wanted to be nasty, they could upload a fake public key with his > email addr

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/13/2009 1:43 PM, Fennix wrote: >big snip< > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this. G does not write often > but does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull > contribution to a problem at hand. For some to try and to t

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Steven W. Orr wrote: > > Sometimes people do things on the net that are considered to be minor > violations of social protocols. This is all a part of being civilized. Posting > html, top posting, not reducing quoted text, these are all examples of how > people can get legitimately irritated. Othe

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/13/09 13:43, quoth Fennix: > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this. G does not write often but > does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull contribution > to a problem at hand. For some to try and to tar him with the

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Aaron Konstam wrote: > I guess it is a matter of philosophy. I think signing mail to a list is > a waste of time and space. > > On the fedora list what difference does it make if the poster is really > who he says he is, I could understand if the poster was selling me > something but any ideas he

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Fennix wrote: > Somehow I am disappointed to see all of this. G does not write often > but does so when he does think that it is worth offering a usefull > contribution to a problem at hand. For some to try and to tar him with > the association/way of doing things such as Karl definitely is in e

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/13/09 13:03, quoth Rick Sewill: > Steve, when I click on your signature, I can extract your public DSA > public key, F0BE3724, see that it is verified, because you registered it > with the pgp servers (Thank you for registering!), but untrusted

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Fennix
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:22 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill: > > > > > My thought is to pgp sign my mail. > > > > > > Those who know me, who have sp

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Rick Sewill
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:22 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill: > > > My thought is to pgp sign my mail. > > > > Those who know me, who have spoken to me over the phone and have > > received mail from me, can sav

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/09 12:47, quoth Les: > Hi, Steven, > The point about the envelope is a good one. It is a point I never > considered. But g's attitude doesn't make me fond of signing, in fact > it does more to discourage users of messaging services to

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/09 19:05, quoth Rick Sewill: > My thought is to pgp sign my mail. > > Those who know me, who have spoken to me over the phone and have > received mail from me, can save my signature from my mail and know the > mail, and any future mail with

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-13 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/09 09:49, quoth Aaron Konstam: > I guess it is a matter of philosophy. I think signing mail to a list is > a waste of time and space. > > On the fedora list what difference does it make if the poster is really > who he says he is, I could und

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 09:47 -0700, Les wrote: > One might make it more robust and not pass on unregistered > emails, nor those that do not pass verification (whatever that may end > up being). > > But that would be the end of spammers as they would have to > register, and be verifi

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Rick Sewill
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 09:47 -0700, Les wrote: > On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 18:38 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 07/11/09 18:05, quoth David: > \ > > If I may, I'd like to amplify on "G"'s lack of Netiquette. I am also using > > Thunderbird w

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Les wrote: > Hi, Steven, > The point about the envelope is a good one. It is a point I never > considered. But g's attitude doesn't make me fond of signing, in fact > it does more to discourage users of messaging services to not use PGP or > SMIME to sign messages. His actions slow access,

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Les
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 18:38 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/11/09 18:05, quoth David: \ > If I may, I'd like to amplify on "G"'s lack of Netiquette. I am also using > Thunderbird with the Enigmail plugin. I too have my system set up for > "Au

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Friday 10 July 2009 05:47:52 pm Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > g wrote: > > one of reasons that i use a pgp sig is that it maintains my idenity and > > prevents someone from trying to send an email as me, which has happened > > on this very list. > > How does it maintain your identity when we can

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
I guess it is a matter of philosophy. I think signing mail to a list is a waste of time and space. On the fedora list what difference does it make if the poster is really who he says he is, I could understand if the poster was selling me something but any ideas he or she sells are either valid and

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/11/2009 10:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 July 2009, David wrote: >> On 7/11/2009 6:15 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> David wrote: My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which take

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/11/2009 9:31 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: > On 07/11/09 21:14, quoth David: > >> I already have your public key sir! :-) > > > And if we ever meet then we could sign each others keys. You and I, properly identified, sure. It would be my pleasure. >> I do not, as a practice, sign emails to

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 July 2009, David wrote: >On 7/11/2009 6:15 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> David wrote: >>> My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made >>> public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which takes, >>> depends on the various Keyservers, 20 +- se

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/09 21:14, quoth David: > I already have your public key sir! :-) > And if we ever meet then we could sign each others keys. > I do not, as a practice, sign emails to mail lists. Nor do I add long > 'signatures' to anything. Consistency h

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/09 21:14, quoth David: > I already have your public key sir! :-) > And if we ever meet then we could sign each others keys. > I do not, as a practice, sign emails to mail lists. Nor do I add long > 'signatures' to anything. Consistency h

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/11/2009 6:15 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > David wrote: >> My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made >> public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which takes, >> depends on the various Keyservers, 20 +- seconds *each* Kerserver for >> *each* post. T

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/11/2009 6:38 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: > On 07/11/09 18:05, quoth David: >> My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made >> public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which takes, >> depends on the various Keyservers, 20 +- seconds *each* Kerserver for >> *

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/09 18:05, quoth David: > My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made > public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which takes, > depends on the various Keyservers, 20 +- seconds *each* Kerserver for > *ea

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
David wrote: > > My email client, Thunderbird, goes out and searches for his 'not made > public as it should be' public Key each and every post. Which takes, > depends on the various Keyservers, 20 +- seconds *each* Kerserver for > *each* post. Two in one thread? Does it twice. Three? Does it thre

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/11/2009 4:45 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 12:05 -0400, David wrote: >> On 7/10/2009 11:34 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: >>> On 07/10/09 18:47, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that sends g's messages directly to t

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 12:05 -0400, David wrote: > On 7/10/2009 11:34 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: > > On 07/10/09 18:47, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: > >> David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that > >> sends g's messages directly to trash. > > > > New entry in my access file > >

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread David
On 7/10/2009 11:34 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: > On 07/10/09 18:47, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: >> David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that >> sends g's messages directly to trash. > > New entry in my access file > From:gel...@bellsouth.net REJECT 553 PGP signing with n

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/10/09 23:34, quoth Steven W. Orr: > On 07/10/09 18:47, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: >> David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that >> sends g's messages directly to trash. > > New entry in my access file > From:gel...@bellso

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 00:49 +, g wrote: > another reason, at least as i was told, key servers do not verify who > submits a key is actual owner of address. The whole point of PGP-style signatures is the "web of trust". If you don't get someone's public key directly from them (e.g. at a key-sig

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread Steven W. Orr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/10/09 18:47, quoth Mikkel L. Ellertson: > David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that > sends g's messages directly to trash. New entry in my access file From:gel...@bellsouth.net REJECT 553 PGP signing with no publi

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread g
Todd Zullinger wrote: > This sub-thread needs to stop now. If all there is to say in a reply > is name-calling, it does not belong on fedora-list. Please respect > the many thousands of other list members. i agree about name-calling, but to say that one is 'bitching' is not same as saying one i

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread Todd Zullinger
g wrote: [big snip] This sub-thread needs to stop now. If all there is to say in a reply is name-calling, it does not belong on fedora-list. Please respect the many thousands of other list members. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread g
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Because the messages are signed with the same key. So whoever is creating > the signed messages has access to the private key. Key servers don't add a lot > of assurance on top of this. And they add a risk that it tells other parties > who you are communicating with. than

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 17:47:52 -0500, > "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: >> How does it maintain your identity when we can not verify that you >> signed the message. Without having your public key, all we know is >> that someone signed the message. So, your signing your me

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread g
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > How does it maintain your identity when we can not verify that you > signed the message. as i told david, ask. > David, one way to solve the problem is to write a filter rule that > sends g's messages directly to trash. i wish he would. seems david is having menstr

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 17:47:52 -0500, "Mikkel L. Ellertson" wrote: > How does it maintain your identity when we can not verify that you > signed the message. Without having your public key, all we know is > that someone signed the message. So, your signing your messages sent > to the mailing l

Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

2009-07-10 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
g wrote: > > one of reasons that i use a pgp sig is that it maintains my idenity and > prevents someone from trying to send an email as me, which has happened > on this very list. > How does it maintain your identity when we can not verify that you signed the message. Without having your public k

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-03 Thread max bianco
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 14:32 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Even if you are using it for security purposes, you should not need >> to protect the public keys. > > Probably not what you meant, but just to be absolu

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 14:32 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Even if you are using it for security purposes, you should not need > to protect the public keys. Probably not what you meant, but just to be absolutely clear: you *do* need to protect public keys against modification (not against re

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-01 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Les wrote: From the last two posts, I gather that the encryption comment was specifically directed toward the PGP signatures... DUUHHH! I should have read the subject. I was responding in regards to encryption for security purposes. Please disregard my previous post. Even if you are using it

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-01 Thread Les
> them. > > i.e. If keys didn't contain addresses, just unique IDs. > > The whole crux of the problem isn't exposing the (public) keys, it's > reliably associating a public key with an identity. > >From the last two posts, I gather that the encryption co

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 17:12 +0930, Tim wrote: > > Simply put, one could create a keylist, publish it someplace secure > > with limited access and limited time availability, communicate to > the > > designated individual where and when, and the designated individual > > could use something like VPN

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-06-01 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 10:59 -0700, Les wrote: > Simply put, one could create a keylist, publish it someplace secure > with limited access and limited time availability, communicate to the > designated individual where and when, and the designated individual > could use something like VPN to pick up

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 10:59 -0700, Les wrote: > The truly hard part of any secure system is the user understanding of > how security applies to the actual information and the keys. And that > is the most difficult part of all, but I wouldn't call it confusing, > just really detail oriented. The e

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-31 Thread Les
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 11:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:04 +0930, Tim wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was > > > very unenlighte

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-30 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tim wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 11:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a basic fact of life that crypto software is complicated for users, and there appear to be fairly fundamental reasons why this is so (see "Why Johnny Can't Encrypt", an interesting paper by a group of Stanford research

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-30 Thread Todd Zullinger
Tim wrote: > It would have helped if Evolution, for instance, allowed you to set > an option in the address book to always encrypt for this person, > rather than requiring the user to do an encrypt action choice for > every email. I've had that option in other clients. That'd help > against accid

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-30 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 11:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's a basic fact of life that crypto software is complicated for > users, and there appear to be fairly fundamental reasons why this is > so (see "Why Johnny Can't Encrypt", an interesting paper by a group of > Stanford researchers fr

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:04 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was > > very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a > > pgp signed e-mail All the

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-30 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 30 May 2008 04:34:41 Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was > > very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a > > pgp signed e-mail All the di

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was > very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a > pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at > people who knew al

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Björn Persson
Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:29 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > > What do you do if you encounter a key that's signed by both someone > > you trust personally, *and* someone you don't trust? > > I suppose that would depend on whether that was: You didn't know > whether to trust them, or you

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> Aaron Konstam wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > >>> This does not wo

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Todd Zullinger
t would work. I am using: keyserver > hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net Yes, hkp://subkeys.pgp.net works, it's what I have in my gpg config and what was the default for a while. With gnupg-1.4.9, the default changed to hkp://keys.gnupg.net. >> Let me share that to me the whole discussi

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who knew all about this. Before anyone gets offended let me admit you

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Aaron Konstam
eys.pgp.net/ gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who knew all ab

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 This does not work for me. Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 first. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 This does not work for me. -- === genealogy, n.: An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own.

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-29 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 29 May 2008 02:08, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > It is important, though, to maintain the web-of-trust. It does have > > legal implications, and that's why local signing is an option. I use > > encryption for correspondence with one person, and

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:29 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > What do you do if you encounter a key that's signed by both someone > you trust personally, *and* someone you don't trust? I suppose that would depend on whether that was: You didn't know whether to trust them, or you distrusted them. --

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Slightly OT, but what the hell: we should realize that trusting keys > isn't the same as trusting people. Trust as applied to PGP/GPG keys > means "I believe this key belongs to this person (e.g. because the > person physically gave me the public key and demonstrated th

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:38 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > It is important, though, to maintain the web-of-trust. It does have > > legal implications, and that's why local signing is an option. I use > > encryption for correspondence with one person,

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > It is important, though, to maintain the web-of-trust. It does have > legal implications, and that's why local signing is an option. I use > encryption for correspondence with one person, and for that I have to > use ultimate trust, yet I've

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:45 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 28 May 2008 20:26:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:11:07 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > > Tim wrote: > > > > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > > > >

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Todd Zullinger wrote: Patrick wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 gpg: error reading key: public key not found Got these keyservers enabled in .gnupg/gpg.conf keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net keyserver ldap://keyserver.pgp.com You'd need to fet

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 20:26:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:11:07 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > Tim wrote: > > > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > > > >>> gpg --sign-key > > > > > > > > Bill Crawford: > > > >> --lsi

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 13:06 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 08:04 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >> Ok, I agree with your analysis. It can't be ruled as invalid if had > >> not been retrieved. But I am ignorant. I do not know how to do the > >> sig

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > gpg: error reading key: public key not found > > Got these keyservers enabled in .gnupg/gpg.conf > > keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net > keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net > keyserver ldap://keyserver.pgp.com You'd need to fetch the key

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:11:07 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > > >>> gpg --sign-key > > > > > > Bill Crawford: > > >> --lsign-key, please, unless you have met the person and seen their > > >> passport

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 19:54:50 Patrick wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 18:01 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > [snip] > > > gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > > > > shows all the identities that my key can be used for. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > gpg: error reading key: public key not

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 18:01 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: [snip] > gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > > shows all the identities that my key can be used for. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 gpg: error reading key: public key not found Got these keyservers enabled in .gnupg/gpg.conf keyserver

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 08:04 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> Ok, I agree with your analysis. It can't be ruled as invalid if had >> not been retrieved. But I am ignorant. I do not know how to do the >> signing > > gpg --sign-key Bzzt! Don't do that. Not unless you ha

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:07:59 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Bill Crawford wrote: > > 2008/5/28 Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> What is mean by "name"? Guess I am clueless to gpg and don't know my > >> way around it (viewing man gpg at the moment) and nto sure what to do > >> for example

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:11:07 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Tim wrote: > > Patrick O'Callaghan: > >>> gpg --sign-key > > > > Bill Crawford: > >> --lsign-key, please, unless you have met the person and seen their > >> passport. > > > > A good idea, but could you tell a forged passport apart from

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tim wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan: gpg --sign-key Bill Crawford: --lsign-key, please, unless you have met the person and seen their passport. A good idea, but could you tell a forged passport apart from a real one? I'm sure that I couldn't. Likewise for other forms of ID, I couldn't tell a r

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bill Crawford wrote: 2008/5/28 Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What is mean by "name"? Guess I am clueless to gpg and don't know my way around it (viewing man gpg at the moment) and nto sure what to do for example, when like someone's signature says invalid from evo on an email to the list?

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Bill Crawford
2008/5/28 Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Though I seriously doubt that most of use would be using gpg in a way > that required such a level of personal identify assurance. While that may be true, it's not really polite to pollute the "web of trust" with "possibly dubious" signatures (I'm not for a mo

Re: PGP signatures.

2008-05-28 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 09:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > What is mean by "name"? Guess I am clueless to gpg and don't know my > way around it (viewing man gpg at the moment) and nto sure what to do > for example, when like someone's signature says invalid from evo on an > email to the list? The

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