Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 12 December 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: >Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are u

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread J S
ohhh gawwd... indeed, a disappointment to see this sort of thing; not the reassuring premier, membership e-mail to receive, eh? ... for such a /mature/ project as Fedora? (albeit, i do have a knack for /timing/, so to speak. No doubt, however, Time will tell-- also /so to speak/.) ach! oh well. on

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > What or who is ReadHat? > > Perhaps you mean Red Hat? I'm not sure, because that has been pointed out > to you before. It seems there is such a thing as "write-only email"... poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To un

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Joshua C.
2008/12/12 Jeff Spaleta : > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: >> Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) >> but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken >> "update" > > He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. > > -jef

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:53:59 -0800, Alex wrote: > Excuse me? YUM is completely broken! How? > What the #$@&$ am I supposed to do now but wait? > Until January? Wait for what? > This is a period of time when most > companies have a code freeze. Fedora is not a company. > I will be amazed if

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Alex Makhlin wrote: > Arthur Pemberton wrote: [ snip ] >> >> I have to admit, not having to do weekly virus+spyware+defrag+updates >> does get one lazy. >> > > Excuse me? YUM is completely broken! What the #$@&$ am I supposed to do now > but wait? Until January? Th

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Makhlin
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that t

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: >> > Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in >> > koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his >> > b

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken "update" He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. But the individual in

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken "update" He's aware.. he's apologized publicl

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: > > Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in > > koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his > > broken "update" > > He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -d

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: > Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) > but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken > "update" He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Joshua C.
2008/12/12 Kevin Kofler : > Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> That's a question I don't have an answer for. Epoch could have been >> bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion. I think this >> was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in >> discussion. > > Actually I al

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeff Spaleta wrote: > That's a question I don't have an answer for. Epoch could have been > bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion. I think this > was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in > discussion. Actually I already suggested it. It could have b

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 03:36 PM Honestly I'm having a hard time even thinking about how you would r

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > The dbus security policy change was the heart of the issue. Its the issue that got noticed by a significant number of users. Anyone who watches the broken dep reports which are generated for package maintainers knows that pre-mature p

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 01:03 PM Dbus hasn't been the only package affected by a pre-mature push to s

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread homburg
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:42:45 -0900 "Jeff Spaleta" wrote: > > Pushing to stable was not intended and was done by > mistake. Shall I have him brought to the Board Room and > flogged for his incompetence? Mistakes happen. I very > much expect Colin will be making a personal extra effort > to carefu

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Thanks for pointing out those posts. The fedora-devel thread was quite long > and I stopped following it. I assume most other users are in the dark as > well and I wanted to start a thread on it. Instead of having a thousand > "PackageK

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 12:42 PM http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html https://www.redhat.com/archives

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? The maintainer responsible for the push already apologized publicly for pushing to stable: http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/