Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread Joachim Backes
Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? sudo yum update Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package acl.i686 0:2.2.49-2.fc12 set to be updated

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread g
Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates snip ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl = 5.8.6 is needed by (installed) deb-1.10.27-3.i586 Complete! (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread Ed Greshko
Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? Total size: 42 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl = 5.8.6 is needed by (installed) deb

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread g
Ed Greshko wrote: What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. http://yum.baseurl.org/search?q=deb-1.10.27-3.wiki=onchangeset=onticket=on -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread Ed Greshko
g wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: What is deb? I could not find that in any of the fedora repositories that I've enabled. http://yum.baseurl.org/search?q=deb-1.10.27-3.wiki=onchangeset=onticket=on Too bad that doesn't answer my question -- Q: How did you get into artificial

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates -solved-

2010-01-08 Thread Joachim Backes
On 01/08/2010 10:54 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Joachim Backes wrote: Anybody has the same (or similar) problem with latest F12 updates (Package deb vs. perl-5.8.6)? Total size: 42 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: perl

Re: Problem with latest F12 updates

2010-01-08 Thread g
Ed Greshko wrote: Too bad that doesn't answer my question correct, you are. i sent wrong link. this describes it's use, and probably why op installed it; http://rpmfind.rediris.es/rpm2html/suse-9.3-i586/deb-1.10.27-3.i586.html -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world

Latest updates broke KDE sound

2010-01-06 Thread LPM
to today's updates, which included the latest pulse updates. lspci: 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) I checked alsamixer and nothing is muted. Checked Pulse Audio Volume Control and everything looks OK there. Again, I want to emphasize that (other

Re: Latest updates broke KDE sound

2010-01-06 Thread LPM
why Xine backend no longer works, but gstreamer fixed it. I added this problem to BZ #551496. I'll update that bug, with your solution. I have checked the other machine and it has Xine as the backend. Maybe after another set of updates, either to KDE or pulse, I will try switching it back. Even

Re: Latest updates broke KDE sound

2010-01-06 Thread Mick M.
.  All sound worked fine prior to today's updates, which included the latest pulse updates. Hi; this happened to me. I only run KDE, so did not test gnome. F - apps - multimedia - pulse volume control click the config tab. In my case PA found my Radeon Video card and chose HDMI I changed it back

Re: How to handel spinning when i686 versions of packages don't make it into the updates repo?

2010-01-05 Thread William F. Acker WB2FLW +1 303 722 7209
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Mike McLean wrote: On 12/30/2009 02:05 AM, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1 303 722 7209 wrote: I've always noticed that when a package is updated, sometimes the i686 version isn't put into the x86_64 repo for updates. As a workaround, I Can you give some examples? If multilib

Re: How to handel spinning when i686 versions of packages don't make it into the updates repo?

2010-01-04 Thread Mike McLean
On 12/30/2009 02:05 AM, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1 303 722 7209 wrote: I've always noticed that when a package is updated, sometimes the i686 version isn't put into the x86_64 repo for updates. As a workaround, I Can you give some examples? If multilib content is inconsistent across updates

Re: How to handel spinning when i686 versions of packages don't make it into the updates repo?

2010-01-04 Thread Mike McLean
On 01/04/2010 11:32 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: Multilib set is dynamically determined each compose. If the package itself changes in a way that no longer triggers the multilib algorithm, then it will fall out of being multilib. Is there a mechanism to remove 'fallen' multilib packages? If not,

i386 yum update download stops: updates/filelists_db

2009-12-30 Thread Rich Emberson
Trying to do a yum makecache on my fedora 12 i386 machine and it starts downloading updates/filelists_db and the download rate gets slower and slower, from 100s of KBs/second to KBs to 100s of B/s to Bytes/seccond to 0 B/s - basically stopping. I can Control-C to restart but the same happens again

Re: i386 yum update download stops: updates/filelists_db

2009-12-30 Thread Rick Stevens
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rich Emberson emberson.r...@gmail.comwrote: Trying to do a yum makecache on my fedora 12 i386 machine and it starts downloading updates/filelists_db and the download rate gets slower and slower, from 100s of KBs/second to KBs to 100s of B/s to Bytes/seccond

Re: i386 yum update download stops: updates/filelists_db

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Rich Emberson emberson.r...@gmail.com wrote: Trying to do a yum makecache on my fedora 12 i386 machine and it starts downloading updates/filelists_db and the download rate gets slower and slower, from 100s of KBs/second to KBs to 100s of B/s to Bytes/seccond to 0 B

Why no Samba updates?

2009-12-24 Thread KC8LDO
Due to the continuing problems I'm having with Samba on my F11 box I looked to see if there are any updates, seems there are, but its not reflected in the official Fedora repo's. The latest version of one RPM I see, using yumexm, is samba-3.4.2-0.42.fc11. However there appears to be a newer

Re: Why no Samba updates?

2009-12-24 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
On 24/12/09 09:43, KC8LDO wrote: Due to the continuing problems I'm having with Samba on my F11 box I looked to see if there are any updates, seems there are, but its not reflected in the official Fedora repo's. The latest version of one RPM I see, using yumexm, is samba-3.4.2-0.42.fc11

Re: Why no Samba updates?

2009-12-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:50:50 +, Frank wrote: On 24/12/09 09:43, KC8LDO wrote: Due to the continuing problems I'm having with Samba on my F11 box I looked to see if there are any updates, seems there are, but its not reflected in the official Fedora repo's. The latest version

Re: Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-22 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 22Dec2009 08:24, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: | Frank Cox wrote: | On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 16:31 -0600, Brian Wood wrote: | I downloaded/built/installed a new version of sqlite, but that hasn't | helped. | | This is likely your problem. Firefox probably expects to find sqlite |

Re: Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
Cameron Simpson wrote: On 22Dec2009 08:24, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: | Frank Cox wrote: | On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 16:31 -0600, Brian Wood wrote: | I downloaded/built/installed a new version of sqlite, but that hasn't | helped. | | This is likely your problem. Firefox

Re: Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-22 Thread Mike Park
version like so: sudo rpm -e --nodeps firefox xulrunner sudo yum install -y --disablerepo=updates firefox xulrunner ...note you'll be running Firefox w/o the latest updates, but some people need Firebug (like me). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https

Updates to the F13 Marketing schedule

2009-12-22 Thread Mel Chua
Hi, John! Can you (at some point - not terribly vital and can wait until after the holidays) make these changes to the Marketing schedule (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html)? 1. Delete tasks 13 and 15, which refer to a deliverable (the tour) we've

Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-21 Thread Brian Wood
Yesterday I allowed the system to install some security updates. Since then when I've tried to start Firefox, I get The application has been updated, but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run. I downloaded/built/installed a new version of sqlite, but that hasn't helped

Re: Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-21 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 16:31 -0600, Brian Wood wrote: I downloaded/built/installed a new version of sqlite, but that hasn't helped. This is likely your problem. Firefox probably expects to find sqlite installed from a Fedora rpm and not a homebuilt one. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~

Re: Firefox not working after on line updates

2009-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 16:31 -0600, Brian Wood wrote: I downloaded/built/installed a new version of sqlite, but that hasn't helped. This is likely your problem. Firefox probably expects to find sqlite installed from a Fedora rpm and not a homebuilt one. All

no kernel in updates-testing?

2009-12-15 Thread Konstantin Svist
How come I don't see fresh kernel versions in updates-testing? Should I be looking elsewhere? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines

Re: no kernel in updates-testing?

2009-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
On 15/12/09 17:42, Konstantin Svist wrote: How come I don't see fresh kernel versions in updates-testing? Should I be looking elsewhere? The infrastructure just moved house. Give them a chance. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com

Re: no kernel in updates-testing?

2009-12-15 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 12/15/2009 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 15/12/09 17:42, Konstantin Svist wrote: How come I don't see fresh kernel versions in updates-testing? Should I be looking elsewhere? The infrastructure just moved house. Give them a chance. Sorry, I must've missed

Re: no kernel in updates-testing?

2009-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
On 15/12/09 17:56, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/15/2009 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 15/12/09 17:42, Konstantin Svist wrote: How come I don't see fresh kernel versions in updates-testing? Should I be looking elsewhere? The infrastructure just moved house. Give

updates for wireless on f12 and f11 ?

2009-12-14 Thread Mail Lists
There are some good wireless changes/fixes in 2.6.32 which would be very worthwhile having in both f12 and f11. I assume it will be pushed to f12 - yes ? But, are there plans to make 2.6.32.1 available for f11 ? If (yes) { Great!! } else { Would it make sense to

[Bug 546490] fontconfig updates changes my emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim

2009-12-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 --- Comment #6 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-12-13 23:25:25 EDT --- (In reply to comment #5) How about

[Bug 546490] fontconfig updates changes my emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim

2009-12-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 --- Comment #7 from Joseph Shraibman j...@iname.com 2009-12-14 00:14:03 EDT --- I'm not sure why the fonts are installed.

Re: 1 update available and no updates available

2009-12-13 Thread Grzegorz Witkowski
, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: 1 update available and no updates available Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:25:15 +0100 On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:13:10 -0600 Hi Steve Try yum clean metadata then yum update (not upgrade

Re: f12 updates kernel nomodeset option breaks radeon

2009-12-13 Thread Grzegorz Witkowski
Hi John, My F12 worked perfectly on my ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] with no xorg.conf from the first day. After couple of updates compiz started crashing and xrandr stopped recognizing settings properly. I used xorg.conf for a while only as a work around. Now after couple of recent

After Fedora 12 kernel updates, grub doesn't remember previous settings

2009-12-12 Thread Prasan
After each new kernel update in Fedora 12 x86_64 , default time out is reset to 15secs and freshly installed kernel is set as default. Since the proprietary WLAN drivers from RPMFusion comes one or two days after each kernel update, after each kernel update I have to manually edit settings for

[Bug 546490] fontconfig updates changes my emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim

2009-12-11 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 --- Comment #4 from Joseph Shraibman j...@iname.com 2009-12-11 09:38:58 EDT --- yum.log: Dec 10 15:27:07 Updated:

Reminder: Tomorrow is the last F10 updates push

2009-12-10 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, Just a friendly reminder that Dec 11 00:00:00 UTC is the cutoff for F10 updates submission. Ideally these would just be the final stable updates, as pushes to updates-testing would basically be stuck there forever. Please take a few moments to review your pending requests, add any final

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 12:20 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I have logged 2 bugs that are possibly related to this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528188

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-09 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:12:07 +0200 (EET) Pekka Savola wrote: Now gdm login however doesn't show my username and fingerprint login is no longer an option Looks like the issue with hal-0.5.14-1: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2009-12840 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-09 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:36 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:12:07 +0200 (EET) Pekka Savola wrote: Now gdm login however doesn't show my username and fingerprint login is no longer an option Looks like the issue with hal-0.5.14-1: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-09 Thread Linuxguy123
with hal-0.5.14-1: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2009-12840 I think it has something to do with display power management and the monitor brightness level. I can replicate the behavior by simply adjusting the display brightness in a KDE session. I have logged 2 bugs

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Linuxguy123 wrote: I have logged 2 bugs that are possibly related to this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528188 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525767 Huh? One of these is a Nouveau bug, the other is a bug in the proprietary nvidia driver, both of them already

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-09 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I have logged 2 bugs that are possibly related to this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528188 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525767 Huh? One of these is a Nouveau bug, the other is a

F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-08 Thread Pekka Savola
Hi, On my laptop, after F12 updates-testing update today, after reboot F logo shows but then the screen goes dark and starts flickering between various shades of dark (changing modes?) with intel graphics chipset (GM965/GL960). I'm only using 1024x768 resolution. Nomodeset or using

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 10:33 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: Hi, On my laptop, after F12 updates-testing update today, after reboot F logo shows but then the screen goes dark and starts flickering between various shades of dark (changing modes?) with intel graphics chipset (GM965/GL960). I'm

Re: F12 updates-testing issue: X flickers and fails to start

2009-12-08 Thread Dave Airlie
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 01:50 -0800, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 10:33 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: Hi, On my laptop, after F12 updates-testing update today, after reboot F logo shows but then the screen goes dark and starts flickering between various shades of dark

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:51 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding updated pkgs into the path. Woa!!! With all due respect, but this would seem an stupid and silly plan to me. The only way not to do that would be to maintain

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/03/2009 07:22 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:24 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: People doing network installs can either add the updates repo to their kickstart, or check the box in the anaconda UI, so that the updates repos are considered at install time. No download

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
meet people who use kickstart all the time. May-be internal at RH? I do every install via kickstart - small company with 30-50 machines. Been doing fedora+everything+updates installs for many releases now. In fact - every upgrade is a fresh kickstart install + restore critical files from backup

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
files. I've never met such a person. Really? I meet people who use kickstart all the time. May-be internal at RH? I do every install via kickstart - small company with 30-50 machines. Been doing fedora+everything+updates installs for many releases now. OK, then it's likely a full time

UPDATE: Final F-10 updates push date revised

2009-12-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:31:35PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Hi All, Fedora 10 will go EOL on December 17th. The final day for updates to be submitted will be December 14th. Please make sure any final updates you want pushed to the F10 repos are submitted by this date. Due to the infrastructure

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just all in one repo, that you have to download all of the metadata for all of the more often,

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Adam Williamson [03/12/2009 10:10] : I don't think that was actually made clear in the initial proposal. I'd been assuming that the proposal was _exactly_ to remove the GA set. No can do. People who install from the netinst CD or do PXE installs without adding the updates repo during

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
this. Can you elaborate? That would help me scope the impact to MirrorManager. Right now the same package moves from master URL to master URL as it is pushed from testing to updates to GA to whatever. That means the same package gets downloaded many times over because it changed URL (and browsers

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just all in one repo, that you have to download all of

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread James Antill
infrastructure instead of fighting it) Sorry, I don't understand this. Can you elaborate? That would help me scope the impact to MirrorManager. Right now the same package moves from master URL to master URL as it is pushed from testing to updates to GA to whatever. That means the same package gets

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Liang Suilong
I think that idea maybe isn't benefit with repository. If updates repository is merged into Everything repository, Will metadata files become too large? I know that the size of metadatas on updates and everything are more than 30 megabytes. If these two repositories compose, We will need download

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Jesse Keating
to updates to GA to whatever. That means the same package gets downloaded many times over because it changed URL (and browsers, proxies, etc understand new url = new file) It only moves once, at least in the vast majority of cases. My proposal is to never move a package, put it in a single

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Adam Williamson
pkgs would more or less make deltarpms very difficult. I'm not saying I support the proposal, I don't, I think it's a waste of effort for no benefit. I was just clarifying the initial characterization. Actually I think the initial proposer _was_ expecting to remove initial packages when updates

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/03/2009 12:24 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/02/2009 06:40 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: People doing network installs can either add the updates repo to their kickstart, or check the box in the anaconda UI, so that the updates repos are considered at install time. No download of duplicate

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/03/2009 08:20 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 00:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: We wouldn't be talking about removing the original GA set - just adding updated pkgs into the path. So you'd still have the number of pkgs -just all

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 09:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: If you're looking for perfect division, sure - but the reality is this: 19K items in a single dir and ext3 and nfs and many many other things crap themselves returning that list. If you make 36 subdirs (26+10) performance gets

Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never benefitted me, or anybody I know, but it has

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never benefitted me

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 03:39 PM, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum. It has never

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:00:53AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jon Ciesla
Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:00:53AM -0600, Jon Ciesla wrote: Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 03:44:08PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: On 02/12/09 15:26, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Naheem Zaffar
2009/12/2 Justin M. Forbes jmfor...@linuxtx.org The only downside to merging updates into the main repository... I would also assume that the repo data will need to be regenerated and often be much larger than the one that is for the updates only repository, so there will be acost to end users

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:01:51AM -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:17 +0100 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 12/02/2009 05:09 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ralf Corsepius (rc040...@freenet.de) said: Does the FSF/GPL demand to keep a repo around for ISOs? A rolling Everything would not touch the ISOs. They would still be around. The LiveCD/spins satisfy their source requirements via the source repositories; they do not compose separate live source

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:28:24AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. Might there also be export

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:06:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: 1) Composing a new everything tree for updates would lead to larger compose times. That could possibly mean that getting updates out would take 1 day per 'push'. We've been trying to improve updates push times so it would be a bit

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. Might there also be export compliance implications too? A larger isssue is constantly having the repodata for the everything

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/02/2009 06:01 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:06:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: However, other than 'browsing manually for packages', I'm not really sure what problem you are trying to solve by getting rid of the updates repository. It would seem like this has quite

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 16:01, Justin M. Forbes wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:39:30PM +, Matthew Booth wrote: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matthew Booth
On 02/12/09 16:09, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Booth (mbo...@redhat.com) said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Booth mbo...@redhat.com said: The separate updates directory has been a pain for as long as I've been using RHL/Fedora Core/Fedora. It means you have two places to look when searching for packages manually, and twice as much to configure when you're configuring yum

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
of the kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org tree that represent Fedora X, Fedora X + updates, Fedora X + testing, etc. this is intriguing but expensive on kojipkgs. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to do? I gather it's a ls in a directory kind of thing, not an interface to one tool or another kind of thing. But I could be wrong. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 2.12.2009 17:06, Josh Boyer napsal(a): However, other than 'browsing manually for packages', I'm not really sure what problem you are trying to solve by getting rid of the updates repository. It would seem like this has quite a bit of cost for relatively little to no real gain? I am

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
(on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up based on first letter of their name for better filesystem performance), Ugh, first letter

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to do? I gather it's a ls in a directory kind of thing, not an interface to one tool or another kind of thing. But I could be

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) I don't think that would work fine with a lot of our mirrors. I

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:03:51PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:52 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Isn't this, eventually, what the packagedb is supposed to be able to do? I gather it's a ls in a directory kind of thing, not an interface to one tool or another kind of

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 07:35:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) Sorry, I don't understand this. Can you elaborate? That would help me scope the impact to

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: (on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up based on first letter of their name for better

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that we ship. Any new solution would have to preserve this. ? We provide

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infrastructure instead of fighting it) I don't think that would

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure it works with web infrastructure

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: (on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 05:58 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/02/2009 03:53 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 3. replace static mirrors with proxy-ing of kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org (make sure

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:46 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: (on my on tangent...) On 12/02/2009 12:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I hypothesize that we could place all rpms for a given release in a single directory (seth will hate this as he wants to split them up based on first letter of their

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/02/2009 06:05 PM, James Antill wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 17:46 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: so that every directory has about the same number of things. This should be fairly easy to code, but has a big downside: Packages will move directories. 1. This will upset yum

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 16:58 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:09:41AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: The separate Everything tree that does not get obsoleted is required in some form for GPL compliance, with respect to the ISO images that we ship. Any new solution would

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