Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Joshua C.
2008/12/12 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Jeff Spaleta wrote: That's a question I don't have an answer for. Epoch could have been bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion. I think this was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in discussion.

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken update He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. -jef -- fedora-list

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken update He's aware.. he's apologized

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Les Mikesell
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken update He's aware..

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Makhlin
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Alex Makhlin makhl...@gmail.com wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: [ snip ] I have to admit, not having to do weekly virus+spyware+defrag+updates does get one lazy. Excuse me? YUM is completely broken! What the #$@$ am I supposed to do now but wait? Until

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:53:59 -0800, Alex wrote: Excuse me? YUM is completely broken! How? What the #$@$ am I supposed to do now but wait? Until January? Wait for what? This is a period of time when most companies have a code freeze. Fedora is not a company. I will be amazed if

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Joshua C.
2008/12/12 Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken update He's aware.. he's apologized

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: What or who is ReadHat? Perhaps you mean Red Hat? I'm not sure, because that has been pointed out to you before. It seems there is such a thing as write-only email... poc -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread J S
ohhh gawwd... indeed, a disappointment to see this sort of thing; not the reassuring premier, membership e-mail to receive, eh? ... for such a /mature/ project as Fedora? (albeit, i do have a knack for /timing/, so to speak. No doubt, however, Time will tell-- also /so to speak/.) ach! oh well.

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 12 December 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the

Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? Why wasn't the change *REVERTED* immediately? System security? This is local access only. dbus has been open for years. A dbus package with the change REVERTED should had been released instead of having to wait weeks for fixed packages. System

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? The maintainer responsible for the push already apologized publicly for pushing to stable: http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 12/11/2008 12:42 PM http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Thanks for pointing out those posts. The fedora-devel thread was quite long and I stopped following it. I assume most other users are in the dark as well and I wanted to start a thread on it. Instead of having a

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread homburg
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:42:45 -0900 Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: Pushing to stable was not intended and was done by mistake. Shall I have him brought to the Board Room and flogged for his incompetence? Mistakes happen. I very much expect Colin will be making a personal extra effort

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 12/11/2008 01:03 PM Dbus hasn't been the only package

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: The dbus security policy change was the heart of the issue. Its the issue that got noticed by a significant number of users. Anyone who watches the broken dep reports which are generated for package maintainers knows

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 12/11/2008 03:36 PM Honestly I'm having a hard time even

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeff Spaleta wrote: That's a question I don't have an answer for. Epoch could have been bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion. I think this was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in discussion. Actually I already suggested it. It could have been