Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-22 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El lun, 15-10-2007 a las 09:09 +0200, JoergSimon escribió: > > M Daniel R Magarzo, critic is welcome, but ... please do me a favor, > unsubscribe. Hahaha..! :-)) Please, firstly _try_ to do yourself a favour.. open your narrow mind. -First degree: higher status. Learn to accept (maybe d

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-22 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El lun, 15-10-2007 a las 19:15 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra escribió: > > > Do you seriously think that the only reason people install Fedora is > because of Livna. I didn't say that. Things are not just white or black, despite some people immediately tend to it. Things in life have usually a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-15 Thread Marc Wiriadisastra
On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 22:25 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > On 10/15/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > The fact that Ubuntu has bigger numbers is due in part to the fact that > > it is easier to install than Fedora although that is changing. > > Haha this is funny. I know many ubuntu/kubuntu user

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-15 Thread Chitlesh GOORAH
On 10/15/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > The fact that Ubuntu has bigger numbers is due in part to the fact that > it is easier to install than Fedora although that is changing. Haha this is funny. I know many ubuntu/kubuntu users with more than 5 unofficial repositories. Is this simple ??? Pleas

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-15 Thread Marc Wiriadisastra
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: El dom, 14-10-2007 a las 17:44 -0400, jkeating escribió: If this were really true, they wouldn't use Fedora at all, they would use something else that has this software already in it or easier to obtain. Why not? It's easier to put a vendaje over your eyes th

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-15 Thread JoergSimon
Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 00:24:59 schrieb M Daniel R Magarzo: > Man, let me tell you the true I perceive: real criticism make you feel > really uncomfortable. > Bad issue.. > You should learn something from this, but I doubt it. > Daniel M Daniel R Magarzo, critic is welcome, but you are unkind

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El lun, 08-10-2007 a las 03:00 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: > > What are you doing to help? Just waving a big flag doesn't change anything. > Personally, I firmly think that there are no much things around _so_ strong in order to promote a "weird" O.S. for most common people, AKA Linux, than

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El dom, 14-10-2007 a las 17:44 -0400, jkeating escribió: > > If this were really true, they wouldn't use Fedora at all, they would > use something else that has this software already in it or easier to > obtain. > Why not? It's easier to put a vendaje over your eyes than digest the reality fro s

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El mié, 10-10-2007 a las 05:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: > > I guess you don't have much of an idea of who is doing the work and > regardless of who is doing it, the benefits is shared by everyone in the > community including Red Hat but certainly not limited to it. Probably you're right

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 23:33 +0200, M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > E.g., what most people mostly love from Fedora is the Livna > repository. Livna has been the only repository that broke my Fedora installation with the mplayer (and related) packages it has. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Replicati

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread jkeating
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:33:21 +0200 M Daniel R Magarzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > E.g., what most people mostly love from Fedora is the Livna > repository. That's a pretty bold statement and I can't fathom a method for you to actually prove it. If this were really true, they wouldn't use Fedor

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El mié, 10-10-2007 a las 12:01 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot escribió: > Le Mer 10 octobre 2007 01:32, M Daniel R Magarzo a écrit : > > > Red Hat is Red Ha, and I don't care much about them, I sure they will > > do their own things right; and Fedora should be maybe another thing, > > not just an fixed e

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-14 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El mié, 10-10-2007 a las 04:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: > > This is serious hand waving. Debian has a non-free repository hosted by > Debian. Fedora does not. Of course! Fedora leaves that "work" to other "partners" whom have nothing to do with it. E.g., what most people mostly love from

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-13 Thread Lloyd A
Im a little late in the disscussion but just wanted to add some Fedora: More than just Freedom Fedora: Freedom to operate Fedora: Powered by Freedom Lloyd -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 10 octobre 2007 01:32, M Daniel R Magarzo a écrit : > Red Hat is Red Ha, and I don't care much about them, I sure they will > do their own things right; and Fedora should be maybe another thing, > not just an fixed extension from Red Hat. Fedora inherited its core and past decisions from

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: Yes, precisely it's quite the opposite... you fix stuff in order that other distributions (aka Red Hat) don't have to do it; you do it for them. ...and that I wouldn't call "an identity sign", but almost necessity. I guess you don't have much of an idea of who is d

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-09 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 22:50 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH escribió: > On 10/7/07, M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > >>> The Fedora Project is something really special, it is even the engine > >>> of the linux community. > >> I do not think so, sincerely. I think that sentence goes two steps > >> forward from

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-09 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El lun, 08-10-2007 a las 00:26 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot escribió: > Le dimanche 07 octobre 2007 à 23:15 +0200, M Daniel R Magarzo a écrit : > > > Most of you (developers -mostly from Red Hat or got involved there, > > etc...-) think that everyone that uses Linux, having chose or not > > Fedora, is a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 21:36 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escribió: Debian has non-free bits floating around in their universe. And probably your own Fedora system too. I suppose that everything would depend on how we would define the system "universe" (limits, etc.

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-09 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 21:36 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escribió: > Debian has non-free bits floating around in their universe. And probably your own Fedora system too. I suppose that everything would depend on how we would define the system "universe" (limits, etc.) I don't know much people (

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-08 Thread Nicu Buculei
Máirín Duffy wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: What we should to to "protect": when we go live with the slogan for the first time we should do *a lot* of noise about it, not just put quietly a new banner on the site. any ideas on how to promote it? I have a large-scale idea: set up a place and inv

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-08 Thread Nicu Buculei
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: So I'm starting to see a pattern. Native English speakers seem to *really* dig it. Non-native speakers seem more reserved. This is correct: I, as a non-native English speaker, dig it in Enghlish but would have a hard time translating it in my native language. But

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 22:42 +0200, Herman Meester escribió: > > > 2007/10/7, M Daniel R Magarzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu > escribió: > > > > Liberty and freedom are synonymous, but they are used in completely >

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 07 octobre 2007 à 23:15 +0200, M Daniel R Magarzo a écrit : > Most of you (developers -mostly from Red Hat or got involved there, > etc...-) think that everyone that uses Linux, having chose or not > Fedora, is a developer too, and therefore is in condition of promote big > changes in

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: El lun, 08-10-2007 a las 00:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: You're right. The main problem IMHO is that despite everything, nobody knows very well what are the identity signs that Fedora should have, nor the possible target audience it shou

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El lun, 08-10-2007 a las 00:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram escribió: > M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > > > > You're right. The main problem IMHO is that despite everything, nobody > > knows very well what are the identity signs that Fedora should have, nor > > the possible target audience it should be inten

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Chitlesh GOORAH
On 10/7/07, M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: >>> The Fedora Project is something really special, it is even the engine >>> of the linux community. >> I do not think so, sincerely. I think that sentence goes two steps >> forward from where it should reasonably. I wonder what new apps or feature I'm using

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-07 Thread Herman Meester
2007/10/7, M Daniel R Magarzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu escribió: > > > > > Would (roughly) translate into: > > > > "Fedora: Liberty included" > > > > Now, I *chose* __Liberty__ instead of "freedom" given the ambiguous > > meaning of "free" in

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 09:27:07PM +0200, M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > -Simplicity —finding the core of any idea.. > Pass (maybe) > -Unexpectedness —grabbing people's attention > by surprising them ... > FAIL (IMO) Perhaps this is the key di

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: > El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 19:33 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escribió: > >> My gut feeling tells me I disagree although my brain admits I haven't >> been using too much other distros lately; what distro (non-Fedora based) >> exactly does offer Freedom as much or as strong

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 22:35 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay escribió: > > Sounds good, but isn't primarily for fedora. > > But it just fits the SUCCES bits of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_to_Stick > > :) -Simplicity —finding the core of any idea.. Pass (maybe) -U

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
ounds good, but isn't primarily for fedora. > Freedom is a Feature. Having lots of "F" does point to Fedora. But > other linux distributions provide "freedom" too. > I agree with you. > The slogan of Fedora should be related to "what makes fedora so unique&

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: You're right. The main problem IMHO is that despite everything, nobody knows very well what are the identity signs that Fedora should have, nor the possible target audience it should be intended. But this is another discussion that I won't to open here. http://gregdek

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 20:16 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH escribió: > I would rather prefer a slogan(for fedora) which values Fedora > Contributors(RH and community) and not contributors of other distros. > Many fedora contributors spend about 4 hours per day for fedora, at > least it's my case. Havin

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 12:35 -0700, Karsten Wade escribió: > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 09:43 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > What's funny is, just the other day, I came up with two in the middle of > writing something: "Fedora means f

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 19:33 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escribió: > > My gut feeling tells me I disagree although my brain admits I haven't > been using too much other distros lately; what distro (non-Fedora based) > exactly does offer Freedom as much or as strong as Fedora does? > Debian mayb

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El dom, 07-10-2007 a las 00:24 -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu escribió: > > Would (roughly) translate into: > > "Fedora: Liberty included" > > Now, I *chose* __Liberty__ instead of "freedom" given the ambiguous > meaning of "free" in colloquial English. "Free" is ambiguous indeed, but "freedom" is

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El sáb, 06-10-2007 a las 19:47 -0400, Alejo Cerrat0 escribió: > Hi, > > > i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of > the slogan to be considered: > > > Fedora: Freedom Capable > > > Freedom: Not just another feature > > > Fedora: Freedom Integrated > > > Fedor

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-07 Thread M Daniel R Magarzo
El vie, 05-10-2007 a las 23:22 +0200, JoergSimon escribió: > Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 22:20:02 schrieb John Babich: > > On 10/5/07, Karsten Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Freedom is a feature, not a bug". > > boring > I agree. It seems intended for tech people. However, potential n

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 12:24:06AM -0400, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > liberty (or so is my [limited] understanding of the English language), I > do believe that the Freedom in Fedora and Free and Open Source software > is actually "liberty" (non-ambiguous with gratis or free of [monetary] > cost

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-06 Thread Gian Paolo Mureddu
Alejo Cerrat0 escribió: Hi, i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of the slogan to be considered: Fedora: Freedom Capable Freedom: Not just another feature Fedora: Freedom Integrated Fedora: Freedom of Choice (this one's a repeat) I don't think the word 'featu

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature

2007-10-06 Thread Alejo Cerrat0
Hi, i've been following the discussion, and I'd like to add variations of the slogan to be considered: Fedora: Freedom Capable Freedom: Not just another feature Fedora: Freedom Integrated Fedora: Freedom of Choice (this one's a repeat) I don't think the word 'feature' is only associated with c

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-06 Thread Kamisamanou Burgess
I think the current slogan Infintity. Freedom. Voice has a more powerful impact. However, I would think that Freedom should be first in the list. -- Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-06 Thread Dimitris Glezos
Στις 05-10-2007, ημέρα Παρ, και ώρα 23:22 +0200, ο/η JoergSimon έγραψε: > For me, "what Fedora is" is not enough transported - as a alternative on a > poster or a shirt yes this would be a nice idea. But for me the "infinity > voice freedom" slogan is the better one. > Cheers Joerg FWIW, I noti

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Giacomo Succi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I totally agree with you. > From my German point - my feelings are divided about this slogan, > easy to consume yes - because you will not think about it - it > sounds like all of the slogans "freedom inside", "Fedora, the > better way of live", "Fre

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Chris Negus
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:37 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > What we should to to "protect": when we go live with the slogan for the > > first > > time we should do *a lot* of noise about it, not just put quietly a new > > banner on the site. > > Ye

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread JoergSimon
Am Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 22:20:02 schrieb John Babich: > On 10/5/07, Karsten Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Freedom is a feature, not a bug". boring > The point is that "Freedom is a feature" is a good slogan in that it > translates well and provides fertile ground for further elaboratio

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Saadaldine AlSaidi
I guess Freedom in fedora is not just a feature its the core and putting it as a feature really reduce the whole idea. maybe we can say "Fedora: Freedom is the essence" or "Fedora: where Freedom is the essence" -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
n written explicitely?) While a short translation in a language without CS english positive undertones will only go "Freedom is a characteristic" In "Freedom is a feature of our school," people can infer from the context feature is positive, even in other languages. Because Fre

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread John Babich
On 10/5/07, Karsten Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you said to me, "Freedom is a feature of our school," I would > understand that meaning without knowing the CS-specific context. Why > wouldn't that apply to the usage in Fedora? > > In other words, knowing the CS-specific meaning adds de

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Paul Stauffer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:04:13PM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > /me wonders if we need different slogans per language. Or even, give the > local ambassadors the power to come up with their own Best Slogan. Fedora certainly wouldn't be the first brand to vary its identifying marks and/or ph

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Karsten Wade
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 21:56 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Karsten Wade a écrit : > > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 18:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > >> While some languages like English have reused nice pre-existing words > >> for the "CS feature" concept, others use terribly contrived bureaucr

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Karsten Wade a écrit : On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 09:43 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? What's funny is, just the other day, I came up with two in the middle of writing something: "Fedora means freedom" and "Fedora is freedom." Anyway, simil

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Karsten Wade a écrit : On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 18:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: While some languages like English have reused nice pre-existing words for the "CS feature" concept, others use terribly contrived bureaucratic words, and I suspect some do not even have any local word for "feature

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Karsten Wade
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 18:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > While some languages like English have reused nice pre-existing words > for the "CS feature" concept, others use terribly contrived bureaucratic > words, and I suspect some do not even have any local word for "feature". > It's just not

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Karsten Wade
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 09:43 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? What's funny is, just the other day, I came up with two in the middle of writing something: "Fedora means freedom" and "Fedora is freedom." Anyway, similar sentiment but a differ

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Chitlesh GOORAH
On 10/5/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > My gut feeling tells me I disagree although my brain admits I haven't > been using too much other distros lately; what distro (non-Fedora based) > exactly does offer Freedom as much or as strong as Fedora does? I would rather prefer a slogan(for fedora) whic

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread John Babich
On 10/5/07, Jeroen van Meeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > < snip > > > My brain comes up with another variation: "Features Freedom", but my gut > feeling already tells me I like the original better. > "Freedom is a feature" has the emotional impac

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Giacomo Succi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For me... That slogan is really powerful. Point the finger on the major thing, regarding Fedora, before all the tech stuff, before the art, before everything is Fedora's philosophy core. But, for me, it'sn't right for a new slogan. It sounds too "tech

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Brian Pepple
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 09:43 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience > participation segment of the

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
good, but isn't primarily for fedora. > Freedom is a Feature. Having lots of "F" does point to Fedora. But > other linux distributions provide "freedom" too. > > The slogan of Fedora should be related to "what makes fedora so unique". >

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Sounds good, but isn't primarily for fedora. But it just fits the SUCCES bits of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_to_Stick :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
2007, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On 10/5/07, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? It's been rolling around in my head ever since. What do you folks think? Sounds good, but isn't primarily for fedora. Freedom is a Feature. Having

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Chitlesh GOORAH
On 10/5/07, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > It's been rolling around in my head ever since. What do you folks think? Sounds good, but isn't primarily for fedora. Freedom is a Feature. Having lots of "

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Dimitris Glezos a écrit : Simple, focused. Very nice slogan. Maybe a bit more difficult to be translated than the current one ("Infinity. Freedom. Voice."). I was about to make this point too. I love "Freedom is a Feature" – in English. But I haven't the faintest idea how to translate it in a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Saadaldine AlSaidi
Very Impressive but i think many better slogens were provided. Yet it is catshy in English and my mother language Arabic, but i don't know if it is going to be in other languages. --- Saadaldine AlSaidi. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Stauffer wrote: I guess my initial comment regarding trademark was spurred by seeing the phrase used in conjunction with the logo in your mock-up, Mo. It looked really good. They looked like they *belonged* together. I instantly foresaw them being linked together in a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Paul Stauffer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:08:55PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > while the slogan is a pretty nice statement of a defining quality of > fedora - omfg will the world end if someone else uses it? > > e.g., if $DISTRO starts using it AND actually backs it by you know, not > shipping patent-infringin

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Matthew Miller wrote: Maybe we could leave off the TM but include somewhere some lighthearted fine print about it being a trademark irony notwithstanding and we know that sounds silly but hey, gotta use the law to protect freedom too. I'm too tire

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Dimitris Glezos
Στις 05-10-2007, ημέρα Παρ, και ώρα 09:43 -0400, ο/η Greg DeKoenigsberg έγραψε: > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience > participat

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Máirín Duffy
Nicu Buculei wrote: What we should to to "protect": when we go live with the slogan for the first time we should do *a lot* of noise about it, not just put quietly a new banner on the site. any ideas on how to promote it? this is kind of what i was thinking altho, heh, i was too lazy to gimp

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Matthew Miller wrote: Maybe we could leave off the TM but include somewhere some lighthearted fine print about it being a trademark irony notwithstanding and we know that sounds silly but hey, gotta use the law to protect freedom too. I'm too tired to be really witty right

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Máirín Duffy
Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 11:46:57AM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: Or are you just remarking on the perceived irony of a phrase containing the word "freedom" being considered a form of intellectual property? This point exactly. With other slogans, I'd be less concerned.

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 11:46:57AM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > >Or are you just remarking on the perceived irony of a phrase containing > >the word "freedom" being considered a form of intellectual property? > This point exactly. With other slogans, I'd be less concerned. With this > slo

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Stauffer wrote: Or are you just remarking on the perceived irony of a phrase containing the word "freedom" being considered a form of intellectual property? This point exactly. With other slogans, I'd be less concerned. With this slogan, the idea of protecting the m

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Nicu Buculei wrote: Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: "Freedom is a Feature" is a trademark of The Fedora Project and Red Hat, Inc. Use of the words "Freedom is a Feature" without express written consent is strictly prohibited by U.S. and International Law. Um, I don't think tha

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Paul Stauffer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:54:12AM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > "Freedom is a Feature" is a trademark of The Fedora Project and Red Hat, > Inc. Use of the words "Freedom is a Feature" without express written > consent is strictly prohibited by U.S. and International Law. > > Um, I don't t

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nicu Buculei
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: "Freedom is a Feature" is a trademark of The Fedora Project and Red Hat, Inc. Use of the words "Freedom is a Feature" without express written consent is strictly prohibited by U.S. and International Law. Um, I don't think that would look great on Slashdot. I'd much

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Stauffer wrote: A little bit of a tangent: If the Project adopts an official slogan like this that we intend to use on an ongoing basis as a distinguishing identifier, it might be a good idea to clearly indicate it as a trademark. I don't know what all the requirements

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Paul Stauffer
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:27:14AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/freedom.png > whatcha think Looks pretty good in conjunction with the logo. A little bit of a tangent: If the Project adopts an official slogan like this that we intend to use on an ongoing basis a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Sudheer Satyanarayana
I love the slogan. I am talking about Fedora in an GNU/Linux training event on 13 Oct, 07 conducted by ITPF, Banglaore, India. Inspired by this slogan, I got new ideas to talk about in the event. jkeating wrote: On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Greg DeKoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Máirín Duffy wrote: Well... http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/freedom.png whatcha think Yep. I don't think I've ever seen this list agree so quickly on *anything*. Let's let it bake for a little while longer, but I think that very soon we're going to be pimping this a

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Máirín Duffy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes as long as we somehow make it clear which one is what. Well... http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/freedom.png whatcha think ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread jkeating
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Greg DeKoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not > too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the > audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped this gem in. > >

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of th

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Jeremy Hogan
Hrmm. That's pretty good. +1 --jeremy On 10/5/07, Greg DeKoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the au

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Máirín Duffy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped this gem in. It's bee

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience > participation se

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience > participation se

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Nayyar Ahmad
+1 On 10/5/07, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > > What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? > > > > Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too > > long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audien

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Robert 'Bob' Jensen
Máirín Duffy wrote: Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped th

Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Máirín Duffy
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped this gem in. It's bee

Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.

2007-10-05 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
What do people think of this as "The Slogan" of Fedora? Max and I gave a Fedora talk at the Triangle Linux Users Group not too long ago. Luis Villa was in attendance as well, and in the audience participation segment of the talk, Luis slipped this gem in. It's been rolling around in my head