yep, it's definitely a known reaction.to taking it, in my
experience, rather than following discontinuing it--someone else may
know more about that end of it!
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there, past and present...
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gt; pick him up from there and we will go on to Heaven. So that is where we
> stand now and I just hope God will grant me the gift of relief from this
> unbearable pain.
>
> Thanks once again to everyone for your kind words, emails and support
> through this.
>
> Jamie
>
> __
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o one else
wants to do so, and together as a community ensure this doesn't happen
anywhere else.
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i've often wondered about the electronic ones, too--wonder if there's
a consumer-ratings place? consumer reports?
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r people who find fault with EVERY
organization they contact
we do the best we can we have to communicate with compassion and
honesty amongst ourselves, for the good of the critters...
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ing through," we HAVE all gone through our own losses. you are
welcome to visit, anywhere along the journey--before, during,
after
http://chat.pethobbyist.com/login.php?room_name=Haven%20-%20Pet%20Loss%20Support
just scroll down on the page and come as a "guest"
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jamie, i am so sorry i didn't know you from before, but have been
reading all the posts
what a great vet you found, tho i wish you hadn't had to
GLOW for all who loved andy...
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opinion, it's just too danged cold
> > for
> > the roaches here. They seem to prefer and thrive in warmer climes.
> > I'm
> > told that they enjoy heat sooo much that if nuclear blasts
> > kill
> > most other forms of life on earth...the roaches wi
tortured yourself for a very long time. I
> hope your dream message from her helped you--was a turning point for
> you. They are such sweethearts...
>
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uch flawed, furless critters as we are)
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had done the best i could with the information i had
at the time--she knew i would NEVER have done anything intentionally
to hurt her)
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YES--diatomaceous earth is a great suggestion; i'd forgotten all about it!
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uy who gets romantic and other advice
from all the roaches he shares his space with VERY funny)
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S YOU HAVE STORED
IN YOUR HOUSE
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that's be my guess, too--that, or that he's so confused about the
change in the energy in the house--and the grief--that he doesn't know
how to deal with it and wants away from it
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GLOW to all of you; i'm sorry.
i don't know if we can EVER be sure when the time is right, but i now
ask them to tell me when they are ready to go, and then try to listen
to THEM and not my own desire to keep them with me
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an get to it. (tho i know a lot of
folks who use it with no problems) nevertheless, whether it was
migraines or just not wanting to live around someone who put out
orange peels and bay leaves, the roaches moved out...
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you mean everyone doesn't know that tom is barbara's cat? (my cats sit
here shaking their heads, saying, "humans are SO dense some times. we
tell them and we tell them, and they just won't listen."
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thank you for loving him so much; GLOW to light his way home if that's
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as. Please email me priviately if you know of any
individuals or rescues who take felv kitties in those states. Thank you.
Thanks.
Lana
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GLOW coming your way to ease everyone's pain--
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in high-school, when it was time for the then-requisite frog
dissection, we had to bring in the equally requisite permission slips
to participate. i just never gave it to my mother to sign in the first
place
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helping them to cross over humanely is often the last gift we can give
them in thanks for all the love they've given us. it's also often the
hardest choice we ever have to make, because it means we have to place
THEIR comfort before our own. something that helped me a lot when i've
questioned wheth
of us seriously, when it is really true, consider
telling her that she does not need to stay any longer for your sake,
that she's welcome to stay as long as she needs to, of course, but
that you WILL survive if she needs to go
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egnant possibly-FeLV-positive one ordering two more condo cages
tomorrow!)
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i hadn't realized there WAS such a website, actually, just did a
google search--but i used to have the books by the same name.
(lost in the divorce back in 79!) so was excited to see it!
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good idea about the water bottles! wished i'd had some on a recent
transport i did.
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what goes around comes around for sure--sometimes, tho, i just wish it
happened sooner and i could get to watch "time wounds all heels,"
after all
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her about
any strange packages that may arrive on her doorstep in the next
months, huh?)
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ernet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know.
> Barbara
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probably more info than you even needed!
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never thought of that--i'm really not good at asking for things, but
this i might consider!
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space!
you all know where to find me
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ort
almost full-time--as long as my cats can come along, none of us would
mind! i have friends all over the country with driveways to park
in. (and no, i'm really NOT kidding)
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motels that are pet-friendly if you are planning to stop
midway; or maybe someone on this list has a room for you to overnight!
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aw, that's too bad--poor samson! i have no info to offer, so i'll just
keep GLOWing for me to feel better!
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rson, too. kind of like with vets, we need to remember we are the
consumers, and do our homework well in advance wonder if there's a
DNANYP list someplace (Do Not Allow Near Your Pets!)...
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... i said, "did
you check the cupboard over the refrigerator?" "no, but the door's
closed." ha--guess where she was? it had been one of her favorite
places to hide when we lived there--so i knew just where to find her!
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rkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
> My FeLV Site:
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
> My Personal Page:
> http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
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nd those looking for sitters. there may be (there SHOULD
be) a list of things that need to be asked and answered on both
sides.
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that's why you find sitters you know WELL, and who are as paranoid
about their pets (whom they go home to visit, of course) as you are!
the other option is to just get an rv and take the cats WITH you
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d of bringing FIV or FeLV to my cats,
my standard answer was that i wasn't at all concerned because i was
neither sleeping with the sanctuary cats, nor coming home and
inflicting deep penetrating bites to my cats somewhat mixed
science, but people got the idea)
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clearly are...
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because they're CATS, silly!
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it! (did i mention he became rather HUGE from this
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i'll have to find one of my favorite photos--a close-up of two cats
that is titled, "what part of feral don't you get?"
i have a GREAT feral-transformation story if people want to hear it
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ends to be totally feral--one of my favorite warped things
to do is sneak up on her and pet her because i KNOW it's largely
an act. her name, appropriately enough, is sybil
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hee hee--i haven't QUITE gotten to the roll-on-the-floor point yet,
tho i used to love to go into the felv room at the sanctuary and
stretch out--cats make such NICE blankets!
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e, i think, the students get
established during their studies then don't want to leave town... more
vets than i've ever seen anywhere!
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tioned, others welcome
it
perhaps we should work together, as caretakers of special cats, to
come up with a "questionnaire" of things we've all learned to look
for?
and the COLDEST vet i've ever worked with was at a cat-only practice!
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NEVER underestimate the importance of house-call vets--some of my
older cats have never been out to a vet since they came into the house
from shelters! i can't imagine having to deal with that again!
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urt them of course, they returned to ferality once the course
of treatment was done--i mean, one does have to maintain the balance
of power, after all
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do a google search for "pet sympathy cards"--there are a lot of places
that offer them now, some really nice my favorite site doesn't
exist anymore, which is too bad because they let you put the pet's
name into the main body text.
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oh, kyle, i am so sorry--everyone else has said all the things i am
thinking and feeling; thank you for loving her so much. GLOW to light
her way safely on, and to heal your hearts.
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tamara, i'm so glad you were able to respond so well! i know that for
me, when someone says something so stupid or insensitive--especially if
it's at a particularly painful moment!--i just freeze and don't think
of an appropriate response for hours!
sometimes when i get the, "it's only a cat/dog/h
oh, my, that brings up something i rarely think about. buddha,
FirstCat, was one of those who would always cock her head to listen to
whatever you had to say. she'd done it from the very beginning, so i
didn't really even realize how much a part of who she was to me
the day after she went to t
hee hee--be really careful about those persians, they really grow on
you! when FirstCat went to the bridge, i needed a black kitten and the
only one in town was a persian. thought they were terribly
funny-looking, but i figured by the time she grew up, i'd be used to
the way she looked. that was in
words are so inadequate gloria's suggestions are indeed the best
i tell people i'm there if they need to talk or cry or scream; i'll
also ask them (usually after the initial shock is over and they can
think!) if there's anything specific i can do for them. everyone's
experience is differen
it's one of the reasons we have daily, 365.25 days a year pet-loss
support chats at pethobbyist don't get me started on our culture
that so fears death that it chooses to belittle it than deal with it
someplace i have a list of the least-helpful things people say to
others when they lose a
thank you, nina. i'm speechless. allowing people to mourn/process
transition (of whatever sort--anything that changes how we identify
ourselves is a loss of sorts, even the good things) seems such an
obvious human need.
of course, i feel the same way about loving one another, too
-- MaryCh
ent. the answer (this
still blows me away) TEN HOURS. so we expect people to understand
about our furkids??
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viruses or illness to protect against, so the screening has worked
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swell. yep, my docs and i panicked appropriately, but after lots
of testing and weird procedures, it turned out to be nothing to worry
about at all!
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"hey, next time they give you clavamox,
react REALLY badly to it, okay? that'll show them!")
then there's always amoxy, better known to most cats i know by it's
clinical name, "yucky pink stuff."
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good point, nina--some cats just seem to need to remain on antibiotics
(despite the obvious drawbacks) to keep from relapsing...
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or as my sainted mother used to say, "time wounds all heels"
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bless you for bringing her home!
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i don't remember the bus-stop incident, but i DO recall a similar case
where a woman was shot in her yard after having been mistaken for a
deer by a first-time hunter, and the person who killed her was
prosecuted but found not guilty.
and i've sat in a friend's lakeside home and heard the bullets
getting everyone together to sew hundreds of thousands very small
orange vests to ship to wisconsin:
THANK YOU!
when the vet is coming, i start moving them all into the bedroom one at
a time early in the day hee hee... one black persian, known for
escaping from locked rooms, is the only one i have a serious problem
corralling...
and our house-call vets are cheaper than most of the usual ones! (we
have a
i've solved it a different way--i use house-call vets! (that way, it's only the vet who needs any tranquilizing)
great idea! (for those cats who sleep on beds, at least. picturing
trying to fold up the human-sized cat bed and get it into a carrier)
i have to admit, i didn't ever taste them!
there's a chewable baytril, too, that some cats seem to like a lot
hmmm, i thought doxy and/or erythromycin (that is NOT spelled correctly!) were the usual treatments of choice?On Apr 8, 2005 5:16 PM, Sue Feldbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Baytril usually works bests to treat hemobart.>From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: felvt
you might want to start here--
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Felinediabetes/
i think that is the best we can do--at times at the sanctuary, as all
the info swirled around re: which tests do what, when they work, if
they work, what they test for, how often they need to be repeated, is
PCR the answer, is the IFA the best, the director wondered if there was
a point to testing
it can be both, actually--starting out as an allergic reaction, then
hanging on as a behavioral pattern (is ANYTHING simple?)
um, if something is easy, it's not a problem, is it?
i don't think the issue is trying to convince people to do what they
cannot or are not comfortable doing--but you were able to do what you
have done because you adequate information to make the decision i am grateful that i have learned what i have about FeLV, and discovered things about myself
aw, thanks, kerry!
okay, first word back from the experts is that it probably would NOT be
a good idea to put a cat who might be fighting off the virus in with
positives--if the immune system is busy fighting off the virus to start
with, it doesn't need the added stress. especially since there are
different strai
again, this is where my grasp of the medical falls short.
i don't know what research has been done re: prevalence of false
positives, how/if they relate to the tests used, and other factors.
which, again, brings up the issue of whether a healthy, adult cat
that's exposed to the virus (even if ori
the good news is that vets aren't automatically euthanizing all cats
who test positive for FeLV, the bad news is that vets aren't
automatically euthanizing all cats who test positive for FeLV...
outreach to rescues? it's not that hard to find breed rescues, and even
if we all just individually spo
well, this is where we have to get the science people in if a cat
tests positive, it means it's been exposed to the virus. i would THINK
that if it's gonna be able to throw the virus off (develop an immunity
to the virus), it's gonna do that anyway. ie, if it's a healthy cat to
start with who i
nina, GREAT reminder about the medical model that infects human and veterinary medicine:
diagnose->medicate->cure->dismiss.
chronic illnesses short-circuit this simple plan. not only are
patients/guardians blamed when there is no cure, but once a single
diagnosis is made, most of the time ANYTHI
bottom line seems to be that ANY cat that tests positive for FeLV
needs to be retested in 90 days the problem, of course, is that
what rescue/shelter has the holding capacity for this
i've been thinking about this for awhile--whether folks with confirmed
FeLVs would be willing/able to work
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