Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-11 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
Em qui., 10 de mar. de 2022 às 20:52, Reindl Harald escreveu: > > volume normalization is easy to understand: > > hi Reindl, I'm doing a critical inspection here and testing the audio capture microphones to see why these differences in some audios. The ones I work with, until they are few, the p

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 22:41 schrieb CMG DiGiTaL: it adjusts the *general volume* of a track it's thes ame as touch the volume vontrol typically it *lowers* the volume of every file ok Reindl, It could be that these files were already peaking high and I just realized now that I'm paying more att

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > it adjusts the *general volume* of a track > it's thes ame as touch the volume vontrol > typically it *lowers* the volume of every file > ok Reindl, It could be that these files were already peaking high and I just realized now that I'm paying more attention to my audio volumes. thanks

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > > Yeah, this place seems kind of strange. Attacking people is ok, but don't > you dare top post! Heh. > I fully agree with you! > > I understand what Clayton said about the volume on the amplifier, but > > Thank you Clayton, Got what I meant! ... as I have some very very low FLAC's,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 17:17 schrieb CMG DiGiTaL: mp3gain, not what I want, even with its controls, I ended up needing to control some peaks of the music after using it nosense! it adjusts the *general volume* of a track it's thes ame as touch the volume vontrol typically it *lowers* the volume o

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Clayton Macleod
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 8:17 AM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > Ok boys each one has its truth and the sum of them, makes us reach > excellence!... but in the end, > we must be faithful to what seems most correct to us. > > Yeah, this place seems kind of strange. Attacking people is ok, but don't you

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
Ok boys each one has its truth and the sum of them, makes us reach excellence!... but in the end, we must be faithful to what seems most correct to us. Before starting this topic, I had done a lot of testing with software and plugins related to LUFS normalization: - The plugin I specified h

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 10:17 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:10 AM Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.03.22 um 09:54 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:46 AM Reindl Harald wrote: your "FFmpeg is right tool for this jobs. You just do not know how to use it" comes from the

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:10 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 10.03.22 um 09:54 schrieb Paul B Mahol: > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:46 AM Reindl Harald > > wrote: > >> your "FFmpeg is right tool for this jobs. You just do not > >> know how to use it" comes from the viewpoint that you don't know

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 09:54 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:46 AM Reindl Harald wrote: your "FFmpeg is right tool for this jobs. You just do not know how to use it" comes from the viewpoint that you don't know anything else than ffmpeg - period Pathethic, I could say same thing a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:46 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 10.03.22 um 09:42 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > Am 10.03.22 um 09:41 schrieb Paul B Mahol: > >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:38 AM Reindl Harald > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Am 10.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul B Mahol: > > we have 2022 an

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 09:42 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 10.03.22 um 09:41 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:38 AM Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul B Mahol: we have 2022 and volume normalization is done via anlazye and meta-tags where tools exists FOR R128 norm

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 09:41 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:38 AM Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul B Mahol: we have 2022 and volume normalization is done via anlazye and meta-tags where tools exists FOR R128 normalization FFmpeg can do r128 scanning just

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:38 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 10.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul B Mahol: > >> we have 2022 and volume normalization is done via anlazye and meta-tags > >> where tools exists FOR R128 normalization > >> > > > > FFmpeg can do r128 scanning just fine > > if you only know

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 09:36 schrieb Paul B Mahol: we have 2022 and volume normalization is done via anlazye and meta-tags where tools exists FOR R128 normalization FFmpeg can do r128 scanning just fine if you only know how to use a hammer you probably will use the hammer to open your beer - it

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:26 AM Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 10.03.22 um 08:54 schrieb Paul B Mahol: > > >> Perhaps you need a different tool. If you're actually just dealing with > >> music files you should snag foobar2000 and use it for this job > instead. It > >> uses the same R128 algorith

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.03.22 um 08:54 schrieb Paul B Mahol: Perhaps you need a different tool. If you're actually just dealing with music files you should snag foobar2000 and use it for this job instead. It uses the same R128 algorithm. It is made for dealing with music, being a music player. And you can

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 8:14 AM Clayton Macleod wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:26 PM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > > > > > OK mark, very nice to hear about your audio experience!...I love it, it > > makes me feel free and alive! > > > > With this internet audio standardization movement, I'm paying mor

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Clayton Macleod
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:26 PM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > > OK mark, very nice to hear about your audio experience!...I love it, it > makes me feel free and alive! > > With this internet audio standardization movement, I'm paying more > attention to this type of LUFS standardization > because my commer

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Clayton Macleod
> > > Two decades ago I was heavily involved in a music restoration project of > live concert performances > (with the approval of the band). I used compression extensively. Most > commercial recordings are > compressed, meaning: the peaks are made uniform without clipping, so > volume is made unif

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Clayton Macleod
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 12:13 PM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > ok Clayton, > > I understood everything you said... I mentioned the plugin, because I used > it in some audio and it was really satisfactory, > as it is an evaluation product, that is, it will lose its functions in a > few days, I tried to mak

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > Two decades ago I was heavily involved in a music restoration project of > live concert performances > OK mark, very nice to hear about your audio experience!...I love it, it makes me feel free and alive! With this internet audio standardization movement, I'm paying more attention to this typ

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2022-03-09 15:12, CMG DiGiTaL wrote: You cannot increase the volume of a file that is already near/at full scale ok Clayton, I understood everything you said... I mentioned the plugin, because I used it in some audio and it was really satisfactory, as it is an evaluation product, that

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > > You cannot increase the volume of a file that is already near/at full scale > ok Clayton, I understood everything you said... I mentioned the plugin, because I used it in some audio and it was really satisfactory, as it is an evaluation product, that is, it will lose its functions in a few

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread Clayton Macleod
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 3:15 AM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > is > it compromising the audio to achieve what > I defined as a target? > You cannot increase the volume of a file that is already near/at full scale without compromising it no matter what tool you are using. If adjusted linearly it will

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-09 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > Linear processing is multiplying whole file with single float number, > volume/gain adjustment. > > Dynamic processing is changing dynamics of input audio. > hi Paul, I understand what you said, but as I mentioned, I have some doubts related to the test I did on the WLM Plus Stereo plugin. W

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-08 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 3/8/22, CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > Yeah, this is what I suspected. You've got source files that are below >> > > Okay Clayton, I get the concept! > > As I'm doing a batch for myself, if necessary, normalize the LUFS of my > files, I was > left with this doubt as to why I can't do it in linear mode a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-08 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
Yeah, this is what I suspected. You've got source files that are below > Okay Clayton, I get the concept! As I'm doing a batch for myself, if necessary, normalize the LUFS of my files, I was left with this doubt as to why I can't do it in linear mode and why I couldn't reach the -10 LUFS target.

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread Clayton Macleod
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:15 PM CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > Input Integrated:*-12.9* LUFS > Input True Peak: *+0.1* dBTP > ... I want (*-10.0* LUFS and *-0.5* True peak) to normalize the file. > Yeah, this is what I suspected. You've got source files that are below your desired target volume,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> > Post measured values of your flac files and target values you set? > I use the dual-pass normalization process, loudnorm analyzes the input audio and generates the values that will enter pass 2. First pass: An observation: In this pass, I still haven't entered the LUFS target value or the Tr

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
> I haven't looked at this in ffmpeg, but in other audio circles whenever > OK,Clayton the way you explained the behavior of loudnorm makes sense, it tries to preserve the audio quality without cuts and compressions! thanks ___ ffmpeg-user mailing lis

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 3/7/22, CMG DiGiTaL wrote: > hi, > > About loudnorm normalization: Normalization in Dual-pass mode. > > Rules for normalization to be linear: > > 1 - Values entry: > LUFS_TARGET (user entry) > LRA (get input file - Pass 1 loudnorm) where is measured_tp ? > TP_TARGET (use

Re: [FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread Clayton Macleod
I haven't looked at this in ffmpeg, but in other audio circles whenever you're talking about normalizing you have to be aware of what needs to be done in order to meet your goals. If you need to turn the volume up and the source is already near clipping, and you need to turn it up such that the au

[FFmpeg-user] FFMPEG loudnorm - linear normalization

2022-03-07 Thread CMG DiGiTaL
hi, About loudnorm normalization: Normalization in Dual-pass mode. Rules for normalization to be linear: 1 - Values entry: LUFS_TARGET (user entry) LRA (get input file - Pass 1 loudnorm) TP_TARGET (user entry) THRESH (get input file - Pass 1 loudnorm) OFFSET