[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Arthur Entlich
OK, I was covering my butt, in case "someone" (a-hmmm) knew of some I didn't... I don't deal in the $150,000 scanner market so maybe there are some scanners that can accurately capture a full 16 bit depth. Several scanner companies will throw around dMax numbers based upon the mathematical "possib

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread
Art-I'm actually partially on your side--I agree that 8 bits is mostly the limit of what humans can discern. There are rare cases of large, "shallow" (not much tonal range) gradients that haven't been dithered, either artificially or by film grain, that can show banding. But again, that's rare. A

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
Art, I concur with everything you have said except the last paragraph which concerns something I have no knowledge about and no concern with, given that I am not into gaming. As I have noted in several of my posts, I see as a potential positive for hi-bit scanning the fact that it furnishes more r

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Preston Earle
Of interest in this discussion: http://www.ledet.com/margulis/ACT_postings/ColorCorrection/ACT-8-bit-16-bit.htm and http://www.ledet.com/margulis/ACT_postings/ColorCorrection/ACT-16-bit-2002.htm Money quote from Dan Margulis: "The bottom line of all my tests was, with one important caveat that I'l

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Alan Eckert
I couldn't resist throwing in my two bits (or eight bits, as the case may be). I tried using my SS4000 at 14 bits, or maybe it was 12 bits (it's not capable of true 16 bits) because I had read that you lose less information when making color corrections on high-bit files. However, I found that my

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Preston, Great post, thanks...but again, I MUST stress, that Margulis is specifically talking about COLOR images, NOT B&W, and that distinction is VERY important. Regards, Austin > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Preston Earle > Sen

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
>Preston wrote >When Photoshop converts from 16-bit to 8-bit it applies very fine noise >to try to control subsequent problems. Most scanners don't. I would have >expected this to make a difference but not to the point that the scanner >8-bit file would completely suck and the Photoshop 8-bit file

[filmscanners] Re: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Preston Earle
"Austin Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> noted: "I MUST stress, that Margulis is specifically talking about COLOR images, NOT B&W, and that distinction is VERY important." Yes, color *photographic* images. It doesn't apply to computer-generated images with gradients, tints, etc.,

[filmscanners] RE: 8 bit versus 16

2003-09-11 Thread Austin Franklin
> ...It doesn't apply to computer-generated > images with gradients, tints, etc., either. > > Preston Earle > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you scan those with a film scanner? ;-) Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTE

[filmscanners] Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
Hi, Take a picture using 6MP DSLR at full resolution. Also scan a slide using 4000dpi scanner. Open both image files in Adobe and observe at 100%. Image from DSLR looks to have sharper edges compared to scanner output. What is the reason for this? Is it because of in-built sharpening of DSL

[filmscanners] RE: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Ramesh, A two pixel camera will give you a perfectly sharp image. Sharpness is no indication of image fidelity (ability to reproduce accurately). It also depends on your scanner and your film and a whole lot of other things... Regards, Austin > Hi, > > Take a picture using 6MP DSLR at fu

[filmscanners] RE: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Nagaraj, Ramesh > > Take a picture using 6MP DSLR at full resolution. Also scan a slide > using 4000dpi scanner. Open both image files in Adobe and > observe at 100%. > > Image from DSLR looks to have sharper edges compared to scanner output. > What is the reason for this? > Is it beca

[filmscanners] Archiving scans - DVD vs CD

2003-09-11 Thread Mike Brown
I was lucky enough to attended IFA, the Berlin consumer electronics exhibition, last week & managed to speak to a guy at Verbatim about their disks and longevity. (They're claiming 100 years on their write-once discs.) He was very honest in making clear that this was a projected value based on exte

[filmscanners] Re: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread David J. Littleboy
"Nagaraj, Ramesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: >>> Take a picture using 6MP DSLR at full resolution. Also scan a slide using 4000dpi scanner. Open both image files in Adobe and observe at 100%. Image from DSLR looks to have sharper edges compared to scanner output. What is the reason for

[filmscanners] Re: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Berry Ives
on 9/11/03 4:59 PM, David J. Littleboy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "Nagaraj, Ramesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: > Take a picture using 6MP DSLR at full resolution. Also scan a slide > using 4000dpi scanner. Open both image files in Adobe and observe at 100%. > > Image from DSLR loo

[filmscanners] RE: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What I want to know is: which one will make a better 11x14 or > 12x16" print? > Looking at screen pixels is not the final product, even though it > does tell > us something. If you resize the scanned image down to 6MP, then you can do meaningful on-screen comparisons

[filmscanners] RE: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread Austin Franklin
Berry, > What I want to know is: which one will make a better 11x14 or > 12x16" print? That depends on what characteristics of an image YOU like. No one else can tell you what YOU might think is better (except your wife ;-). Regards, Austin ---

[filmscanners] Re: Why DSLR ouput looks sharper?

2003-09-11 Thread David J. Littleboy
From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What I want to know is: which one will make a better 11x14 or > 12x16" print? 4000 dpi scans of 645 slides look very nice at 12x16. Very. I've enver been able to get a decent 11x14 from 35mm, but people claim it's possible