Re: [Finale] OT: Studio Vision Help Needed

2002-04-28 Thread Patrick Lenneau
You should be able to download copy protection free versions of Vision from . You just need to replace the main application with the version you download. Also, customer support is no longer available. Tyranny, PTL ___

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
I haven't even looked because I don't use the other program. I am not interested in what it can and cannot do. I don't see how there can be a meaningful comparison between them because they are so vastly different. I say, let the entrants use any and all plug-ins, any and all fonts, and let

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
Isn't plate engraving the art we are all aspiring to reproduce with the software? Yes I think professional plate engravers (if there are any of them left) could do a better job than software. d. collins wrote: > David H. Bailey écrit: > >> They could simply get a plate-engraver to do the wh

Re: [Finale] Virus?

2002-04-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 01:58 PM 4/27/2002, Michael Edwards wrote: > Was that thing from "blk" infected? It's 7 Kb. long, but appeared empty >when I saw it in the preview pane. I looked at in in WordPad, and there was a >notice that said a virus had been removed - but there still appears to be >gobbledegoo

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David W. Fenton
On 28 Apr 2002, at 22:21, d. collins wrote: > David H. Bailey écrit: > >One would have to depend upon the integrity of the engravers to live up to > >the constraints of the competition. I would hope that would not be an issue. > > I think it would be asking quite a bit from them to spend hours

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Jari Williamsson
David H. Bailey writes: > Then it becomes a competition of engravers and not software. So a > "souped-up" version of Finale on plug-in steroids is going to go up > against an out-of-the-box Sibelius (because that is the only way that > program can be used). Sounds fair to me. Not. Go ahead

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
I would think that time could be controlled to the extent that the engraving profession is filled only with truly honorable people who wouldn't cheat just to gain a point or two in a competition. If we are worrying about people not being honest in the plug-ins used or the amount of time spent

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
One would have to depend upon the integrity of the engravers to live up to the constraints of the competition. I would hope that would not be an issue. d. collins wrote: > David H. Bailey écrit: > >> With all the ones which come with and the others which I have >> downloaded I can't remem

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
Actually, not. A fair and valid competition of software only would be to find some musicians with computer competence, but with no exposure to notation software, give them each a shrink-wrapped version of one of the programs and then have an independent panel of judges observe the whole proce

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
Then it becomes a competition of engravers and not software. So a "souped-up" version of Finale on plug-in steroids is going to go up against an out-of-the-box Sibelius (because that is the only way that program can be used). Sounds fair to me. Not. And since you would include any plug-ins a

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
With all the ones which come with and the others which I have downloaded I can't remember anymore which come with Finale and which don't. For a competition of the software, any plug-ins which ship with the program should be allowed and any others shouldn't be allowed. Jari Williamsson wrote

Re: [Finale] Rhythm kicks on instrument part

2002-04-28 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:38 PM -0400 4/27/02, Giz Bowe wrote: >I want to put rhythm section kicks over an instrumental melody, >literally above the staff, without ledger lines. I've got an older >lead sheet where I've done this before, but I'll be d if I can >remember how I did it! > >Thanks, >Giz Appended is m

Re: [Finale] O.T. - E-mail style: attributions, quote indicators.

2002-04-28 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
A few years ago I saw a comedy sketch on TV called "Interenational One Man Wrestling":  The man in the ring  is beaten and flung from one side to the other, but he's in there alone - there's no-one hitting him. The best bit is when he puts his arm behind his neck and slams himself head first into

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Richard Yates
> But if it is truly a competition between software and NOT users, then > all included software packages should be used ONLY as they come out of > the box, with all tweakings done by the users. If users are tweaking then the results reflect the skill of different users, not different software.

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Richard Yates
> And then it becomes a competition between engravers rather than a > competition between engraving software. > > Which is fine, if that is what is desired, but it should be made clear > what type of competition this would be before it begins. Yes, it should be made clear. But I do not think that

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.04.2002 12:54 Uhr, David H. Bailey wrote > But if it is truly a competition between software and NOT users, then > all included software packages should be used ONLY as they come out of > the box, with all tweakings done by the users. And if Sibelius can > achieve a 95% emulation of a majo

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.04.2002 12:54 Uhr, David H. Bailey wrote > In a true test of the software, yes I would rule out additional > plug-ins, unless all programs in the competition allow plug-ins. And > then I would restrict it to only those plug-ins which ship with the > programs. > > If Sibelius allows tweaki

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Jari Williamsson
David H. Bailey writes: > If Sibelius allows tweaking beams easily out of the box with no > additional downloads (think of the millions of potential Finale users > who may be totally unaware of Robert's fine plug-in) then it deserves to > win in that category. I must be missing something here

[Finale] OT: Studio Vision Help Needed

2002-04-28 Thread Haroldo Mauro Jr.
Dear Finale listers: Since the rules of this list permit off-topic posts, I hereby turn to its members for help. TIA I've been a registered user of Vision sequencing software for Macintosh since 1990. Later, around the time their makers,Opcode, went out of business, I bought Studio Vision Pro

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
d. collins wrote: > David H. Bailey écrit: > >> Ideally, if this is to be a competition of software, there would be >> people using the competing software as it comes out of the box, >> changing those aspects of engraving only which require no additional >> purchases or downloads. > > > T

[Finale] Re: The Finale List Mini-FAQ (to Patrick Hubers)

2002-04-28 Thread Javier Ruiz
Dear Patrick. The address for subscribing to Finale has changed. It seems that now is http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale So you may want to update the Mini-FAQ file... Many thanks, Javier Ruiz. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt

Re: [Finale] (no subject)

2002-04-28 Thread Javier Ruiz
Estimada Luz Marina, En la dirección siguiente puede subscribirse a la lista de Finale. http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Las únicas normas (no escritas) que se suelen seguir son: 1) Usar mensajes en modo texto, es decir sin formato HTML. 2) No adjuntar archivos como imágenes o ejem

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
d. collins wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >> I think there's a major issue unresolved here: >> >> - Is this an engraving competition or an engraving software competition? >> >> That is, is the goal to find the best engraving or to find the best >> engraving software? >> >> If the former, fo

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread David H. Bailey
Richard Yates wrote: > David Fenton wrote: > >>I think there's a major issue unresolved here: >> > > Yes, at least one. > > >>- Is this an engraving competition or an engraving software competition? >> >>That is, is the goal to find the best engraving or to find the best >>engraving softwar

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.04.2002 10:40 Uhr, d. collins wrote > Johannes Gebauer écrit: >> Dennis, I think you are now contradicting yourself: Either you allow any >> fonts to be used as music fonts, in that case the fact whether a certain >> software package comes with several different, good looking fonts, or with

Re: [Finale] Changing Layers

2002-04-28 Thread Peter Taylor
Jari wrote: > Peter Taylor writes: > > > I don't use layers frequently, and then usually only for an odd measure or two, > > so this has never been a real problem for me till now. I have to enter a piece > > with up to three layers in every measure and I am finding the keyboard shortcut > > fo

Re: [Finale] Changing Layers

2002-04-28 Thread Jari Williamsson
Peter Taylor writes: > I don't use layers frequently, and then usually only for an odd measure or two, > so this has never been a real problem for me till now. I have to enter a piece > with up to three layers in every measure and I am finding the keyboard shortcut > for changing layers in Spee

[Finale] Changing Layers

2002-04-28 Thread Peter Taylor
I don't use layers frequently, and then usually only for an odd measure or two, so this has never been a real problem for me till now. I have to enter a piece with up to three layers in every measure and I am finding the keyboard shortcut for changing layers in Speedy, Shift-' (apostrophe), is no

Re: [Finale] Competition anyone?

2002-04-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.04.2002 8:38 Uhr, d. collins wrote > Why limit the fonts to defaults, when you're not going to limit the other > aspects: line thickness, slurs, ties, stems, beaming, spacing, margins, > etc. to the defaults? Even if this is a competition between different > programs, the idea is getting th

Re: [Finale] O.T. - E-mail style: attributions, quote indicators.

2002-04-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 27.04.2002 19:34 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote > [Johannes Gebauer:] > >> You are not doing anything "wrong", but your quoting is non-standard. It >> also does have certain disadvantages. Look at the quote above: You precede >> your quoting with "Myself". Now imagine someone else quoting your me

Re: [Finale] Re: new computer...

2002-04-28 Thread Jari Williamsson
David W. Fenton writes: > My last two questions on the subject: Great! > Is it both the relative location and the name of the folder that are > variable? That is, you can put the folder that serves the function of the > applications folder anywhere, but can it also have any name you want, >