At 4:12 PM -0500 1/03/03, David W. Fenton wrote:
I read Sokal's apologia for his personal dishonesty back when it all
originally happened.
Sorry, but it doesn't wash as an excuse for committing a fraud.
Excuse me. Satire. Not fraud. Sokal had every intention of revealing
the true nature of
At 1:41 PM -0500 1/03/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I got into a debate with someone over Postmodernism, and realized
that I had no clear idea of what the term was supposed to mean when
>applied to music.
I got a hold of a choral arrangement of "Noel nouvelet" (a
traditional French Christm
I'd say that Boulez and Stockhausen (and to some extent, Messiaen)
represent the other end of the spectrum. My understanding (while not
having been a participant in either), is that both the Darmstadt school
and IRCAM, and other such institutions, were very slow to be inclusive
of those who es
On 3 Jan 2003 at 16:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On 3 Jan 2003 at 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Go here for one of the most famous hoaxes in academic history:
> >> This Physics professor at NYU wrote a Pomo-style article full of nonsense
> cliches
> >> strung together. It was "peer-
>On 3 Jan 2003 at 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Go here for one of the most famous hoaxes in academic history:
>> This Physics professor at NYU wrote a Pomo-style article full of nonsense
cliches
>> strung together. It was "peer-reviewed," accepted, and published by one
of
>> the leading Po
On 3 Jan 2003 at 15:51, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
> >On 3 Jan 2003 at 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Go here for one of the most famous hoaxes in academic history:
> >> This Physics professor at NYU wrote a Pomo-style article full of
> >>nonsense cliches
> >> strung together. It w
On 3 Jan 2003 at 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Go here for one of the most famous hoaxes in academic history:
> This Physics professor at NYU wrote a Pomo-style article full of nonsense cliches
> strung together. It was "peer-reviewed," accepted, and published by one of
> the leading Pomo jou
On 3 Jan 2003 at 11:53, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> George Crumb
> John Cage
> Karlheinz Stockhausen
> Pierre Boulez
> Olivier Messiaen
None of these composers is even vaguely postmodern.
Stravinsky's neoclassicism was postmodern long before the concept
existed.
Nearly every composer active in the
oops I forgot Stockhausen. I think it was because his name is too long.
Stocky -- unbeknownst to us all -- apparently he is still a Hippy.
Thanx
Andrew Stiller wrote:
I got into a debate with someone over Postmodernism, and realized that
I had no clear idea of what the term was supposed t
Go here for one of the most famous hoaxes in academic history:
This Physics professor at NYU wrote a Pomo-style article full of nonsense cliches
strung together. It was "peer-reviewed," accepted, and published by one of
the leading Pomo journals.
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/
Jim
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>I got into a debate with someone over Postmodernism, and realized
>that I had no clear idea of what the term was supposed to mean when
>applied to music.
Here's my understanding:
"Pomo" does not apply to a work itself or to its creator. It applies to a style
of analysis that can be imposed up
Worth a stab - although I'll save the criterion for later.
Boulez - modernist -- although he appears to deny that now.
Cage - post modern before the term then went modernist, then left the
scene entirely.
Crumb - most certainly post-modern
Messiaen -- had some modernistic tendencies (but I don
I got into a debate with someone over Postmodernism, and realized
that I had no clear idea of what the term was supposed to mean when
applied to music. In the other arts, the term indicates the
incorporation of stylistic gestures from the past into an otherwise
modernist idiom, but a lot of peo
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