Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Philip Aker
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 19:26 US/Pacific, Mark D. Lew wrote: It's not completely unheard of to want a hyphen in the middle of a syllable in standard music with normal fonts. I remember that happening for me in a French text once. There may be some specialty fonts around with various lines

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
I presume that what you know works is the latter of the two options you suggested below, because when this all started being discussed I tried the former and it does not work. For one thing, the thickness of the line is reduced proportionally. So if you get it short enough by using something like 4

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
You're right. I know I found this to be true in the past, but it clearly isn't now. In light of this, what I would recommend is changing the point size of the en-dash so it is the same length as the hyphen, or borrowing the en-dash from another font where it is shorter. I *know* this works!

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Thanks for the clarification. I understand the difference between mono and proportionally spaced fonts but am curious where Andrew's comments"...majority of Mac fonts..." and "They are numerous!" came from? Are you talking about Apple factory installed fonts? I have never heard this statement a

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Tim Thompson
With monospaced fonts, there aren't true en-dashes and em-dashes, and option-hyphen makes a hyphen, while shift-option-hyphen makes a double-length hyphen. In proportionally-spaced fonts however, then option-hyphen is indeed mapped to a true en-dash, while shift-option-hyphen is mapped to a tr

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Fiskum, Steve
This is news to me. Actually I have talked with several typesetters that are baffled by your statement. So could you please give us an example of one of the numerous fonts (preferably Adobe fonts)? My en-dashes are then length of an "n" as it should be and are not "identical in appearance to th

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
I still say that, given the fact that it's well-established that Mac lacks a second hyphen character, and MM sells a Mac version of Finale, it's MM's responsibility to deal with that and find some other way to make a non-breaking hyphen is available for lyrics in Finale. You can't just say, "well,

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-18 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 7:08 AM 09/18/03, Philip Aker wrote: >The slot mappings for text fonts are fairly well carved in stone at >this point and all the slots are used up in the Mac encodings. [...] > > [...] the convention is used by font designers when remapping slots >in text fonts. So I think the font you had was

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-18 Thread Philip Aker
On Wednesday, Sep 17, 2003, at 22:10 US/Pacific, Mark D. Lew wrote: Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Finale has hard-wired one particular ASCII character and made it unavailable. The one time this problem really bit me in the butt was not with a non-breaking hyphen at all, but because

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-17 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 8:48 AM 09/15/03, Noel Stoutenburg wrote [in part]: > My entire point is this: at present, if I have a finale file containing >a score which is missing a syllable on the 3rd beat of the seventh bar of >the alto >line, whether the syllable is missing because I inadvertantly failed to >include

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Sep 2003 at 8:48, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > In response to my comments about type into score, on the one hand, and > edit lyrics, on the other, in which I wrote, in part: I haven't quoted your long discussion because I just wanted to make a couple of short points. 1. I went through *exact

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-15 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
In response to my comments about type into score, on the one hand, and edit lyrics, on the other, in which I wrote, in part: > >Yes, exactly. Attempting to do the same thing, that is, hyphenate "seven" into > >two syllables, yields different results if one attempts it in type into score, > >than