Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-05 Thread dhbailey
Jacki Barineau wrote: On Dec 3, 2006, at 4:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I use Finale I am forced to use the show in concert pitch option because when I enter a note for a transposed instrument, let's say a written F for horn (sounding Bb) the note that Finale plays isn't the

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006/12/03 / 04:31 AM wrote: However, when I use Finale I am forced to use the show in concert pitch option because when I enter a note for a transposed instrument, let's say a written F for horn (sounding Bb) the note that Finale plays isn't the

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
Hi David, Yes, hearing nothing solves the problem of hearing the wrong note, but it's sometimes useful to be able to hear the correct note as it's being entered. Finale's way of doing it just seems crazy and unhelpful to me. Thanks, Lawrence

RE: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread Guy Hayden
A few years back I was a ringer in a viola section. The work being rehearsed was Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian Easter Overture. The trombone section was absent. The conductor asked if anyone had trombone cues to play during the famous chant section. The cues were in the viola part. I was the only

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread John Howell
At 10:27 PM -0800 12/3/06, Mark D Lew wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 9:52 AM, dhbailey wrote: If you don't understand the clef, then set the viola staff to be either treble or bass clef and enter the music in a manner you do understand and then when it's all entered go back and change the clef to

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread John Howell
At 2:29 PM -0500 12/4/06, dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: [snip] Yes, this is an appropriate use of the tenor-G clef. In my early music editions, I often have to make two versions of the tenor part, one in alto clef for my violas and one in tenor-G clef for my recorders. (Easy enough

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
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RE: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread keith helgesen
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 8:09 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation At 2:29 PM -0500 12/4/06, dhbailey wrote: John Howell wrote: [snip] Yes, this is an appropriate use of the tenor-G clef

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: I'd recommend the treble clef that's an octave down -- ie, the same one you'd use for the tenor section in a chorus. This is more viola-friendly than getting stuck in the mindset of treble vs bass. The practical range of the viola is from

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread Jacki Barineau
On Dec 3, 2006, at 4:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I use Finale I am forced to use the show in concert pitch option because when I enter a note for a transposed instrument, let's say a written F for horn (sounding Bb) the note that Finale plays isn't the real note, the

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:54 AM, John Howell wrote: Mark: I have to admit that after reading this I was prepared to castigate you soundly!! Then I read to the end and discovered that you were not advocating putting tenor-G clef in front of the violists after all, but using it as a crutch for

RE: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-04 Thread John Howell
At 8:49 AM +1100 12/5/06, keith helgesen wrote: John, I am in awe of your obvious knowledge and love of recorders et al. My interest came from joining a recorder septet (sop, 2 desc, 2 alto, 1 ten(me!), 1 bass. This was in 1956 whilst attending Kneller Hall (Royal Military School of Music)in

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-03 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
I prefer to work with the instruments in written pitch, especially when writing for brass - being a horn player I know what the different ranges sound like. When I write on paper I write the instruments as they will be written in the parts. However, when I use Finale I am forced to use

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-03 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer to work with the instruments in written pitch, especially when writing for brass - being a horn player I know what the different ranges sound like. When I write on paper I write the instruments as they will be written in the parts. However, when I use

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-03 Thread A-NO-NE Music
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006/12/03 / 04:31 AM wrote: However, when I use Finale I am forced to use the show in concert pitch option because when I enter a note for a transposed instrument, let's say a written F for horn (sounding Bb) the note that Finale plays isn't the real note, the Bb, but a

RE: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-03 Thread keith helgesen
Of A-NO-NE Music Sent: Monday, 4 December 2006 12:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2006/12/03 / 04:31 AM wrote: However, when I use Finale I am forced to use the show in concert pitch option because when I enter a note for a transposed

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Dec 2, 2006, at 9:52 AM, dhbailey wrote: If you don't understand the clef, then set the viola staff to be either treble or bass clef and enter the music in a manner you do understand and then when it's all entered go back and change the clef to the alto clef. This is sound advice, except

[Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread Jacki Barineau
Hi, Everyone... I have never notated for orchestra before and have a few questions... I'm using Finale 2007/Mac. I'm a little confused about the transposing instruments. I've gone through the tutorial on how to select the proper staves, etc., for each instrument. If I'm notating, for

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread Chuck Israels
Jackie, It is possible to enter everything into Finale at concert pitch (I don't do this myself, so I don't remember where it resides, but there is a toggle called Display score in concert pitch ). If you do this, you write at the normal pitch, and then view the transposed score, and

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread dhbailey
Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone... I have never notated for orchestra before and have a few questions... I'm using Finale 2007/Mac. I'm a little confused about the transposing instruments. I've gone through the tutorial on how to select the proper staves, etc., for each instrument. If

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread Dick Hauser
On Dec 2, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Jacki Barineau wrote: I have never notated for orchestra before and have a few questions... I'm using Finale 2007/Mac. I'm a little confused about the transposing instruments. I've gone through the tutorial on how to select the proper staves, etc., for each

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread John Howell
At 12:20 PM -0500 12/2/06, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone... [snip] Lastly... I'm confused as to what the alto staff is for viola...? Just not familiar with these alternate types of staves and need some guidance! Hi, Jacki. You can get a lot of help on this forum, but what you

RE: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread keith helgesen
December 2006 4:52 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone... I have never notated for orchestra before and have a few questions... I'm using Finale 2007/Mac. I'm a little confused about the transposing instruments. I've gone through

Re: [Finale] Orchestral Notation

2006-12-02 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Yeah , I just tend to compose in Concert, then toggle to Transposed score to see if I've kept the parts idiomatic for the instruments or not. I find it a most helpful device. Dean I really recommend to all players, conductors- in fact all musos- learn your trade- don't just be able to