Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-07 Thread Ken Durling
Some of mine never get here. Ken (We'll see if this one does) At 02:59 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: No idea why this took so long to get to the list... Johannes Gebauer schrieb: On 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: Chances are fairly good that he wrote the sonatas for his friend, Abel, at Köthen, a

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
No idea why this took so long to get to the list... Johannes Gebauer schrieb: On 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: Chances are fairly good that he wrote the sonatas for his friend, Abel, at Köthen, and it's probably more likely than not that it was Abel who acquainted Sebastian with the new develo

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-07 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: Chances are fairly good that he wrote the sonatas for his friend, Abel, at Köthen, and it's probably more likely than not that it was Abel who acquainted Sebastian with the new developments at the French court, including the adoption of the 7-string bass, and may

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread John Howell
At 12:20 AM +0200 9/5/05, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 04.09.2005 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: And the two gamba parts in Brandenburg 6 are certainly not virtuoso parts, with the 2nd part very likely written for the Prince. As to bowings, do we know for sure what Bach's bowings were? Is there a

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Sep 2005 at 0:20, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 04.09.2005 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: > > And the two gamba parts in Brandenburg 6 are certainly not virtuoso > > parts, with the 2nd part very likely written for the Prince. As to > > bowings, do we know for sure what Bach's bowings were? Is

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: One of the most pitch-dependent instruments is the 18th century oboe. Oboes at 415 sound baroque. Oboes at 440 don't. But all that really means is that we have LEARNED to think of the tone quality of oboes at 415 as being "baroque," even though we know perfect

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.09.2005 23:52 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote: "Closer to" is not the point -- the point is that 415 as the choice for the lower pitch is not justified by historical evidence but by modern practicality because A440 is the standard pitch and using a lower pitch 1/2 step lower was an easy solutio

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.09.2005 22:28 Uhr John Howell wrote: And the two gamba parts in Brandenburg 6 are certainly not virtuoso parts, with the 2nd part very likely written for the Prince. As to bowings, do we know for sure what Bach's bowings were? Is there an autograph? I really can't remember. For the Br

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Sep 2005 at 16:28, John Howell wrote: > At 2:19 PM -0400 9/4/05, David W. Fenton wrote: > > >But I don't play Bach -- for one, he wrote not a whole lot of music > >for gamba, and what he did write is *very* hard (I am reluctantly > >concluding that Bach didn't know the gamba very well, becaus

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread John Howell
At 2:19 PM -0400 9/4/05, David W. Fenton wrote: But I don't play Bach -- for one, he wrote not a whole lot of music for gamba, and what he did write is *very* hard (I am reluctantly concluding that Bach didn't know the gamba very well, because the gamba sonatas really aren't like other advanced

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Sep 2005 at 9:48, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 5:11 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote: > > When I ordered my own gamba I insisted that it be built for 440 > > rather than 415, since I'm convinced that 415 is not really > > historically justified. > > It's actually quite simple: 415 was approximatel

Re: [Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 5:11 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote: When I ordered my own gamba I insisted that it be built for 440 rather than 415, since I'm convinced that 415 is not really historically justified. It's actually quite simple: 415 was approximately the pitch that Bach used in Leipzig for the church music. T

[Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Sep 2005 at 22:43, John Howell wrote: > At 5:30 PM -0400 9/3/05, David W. Fenton wrote: > >So, there are two choices: > > > >1. everyone plays in Temperament ordinaire (not necessarily > >appropriate for the repertory of the other group, though probably > >better than modern ET), OR > > > >2.

[Finale] Re: Bach temperament

2005-09-03 Thread John Howell
At 5:30 PM -0400 9/3/05, David W. Fenton wrote: On 2 Sep 2005 at 0:19, John Howell wrote: You don't really believe that the BG > scholars gave serious consideration to non-equal temperaments, do you? As far as they were concerned, Wohltemiert meant equal temperament and that was the end of