Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-07-05 11:40, David H. Bailey wrote: > Curious -- what else did Recordare do? I don't think the merge is just about buying existing products, it's more long-term than that. What Gary and Michael can add to MM might very well show up in the next major Finale release. To me, both the Recor

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-07-04 22:34, John Blane wrote: > I can't help thinking that if MM ever had a handle on how > we worked with Finale, they might have integrated the > kinds of plug-ins and innovations we have come to depend > on Tobias for. They are indispensable, indeed. I would > not assume that MM could

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread David H. Bailey
On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote: > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. > > MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML > were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. > MakeMusic acquiring TGTools would depend on Tobias's willingness to

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread David H. Bailey
On 7/4/2012 6:06 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products and updates from > MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. > Sarcasm aside, MusicXML has slowly been expanding its place in the computer/music world, providing an inter-ap

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread David H. Bailey
On 7/4/2012 3:06 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Indeed. It would have made MORE sense to acquire TGTools than the also-ran > Garritan. > They may have tried and Tobias may well have said "No." -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread David H. Bailey
On 7/5/2012 4:06 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-07-05 00:06, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >> Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products >> and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. > > Yes, MusicXML is very widely used for notation conversion. And

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-07-05 00:06, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products > and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. Yes, MusicXML is very widely used for notation conversion. And I believe MusicXML was just one of the reasons for

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
Whaaa? Staff Styles are AWESOME! They seem to have fixed in 2012b the score styles not showing up properly in parts. Note-attached slurs, also awesome (though not completely problem-free, but hey, whaddya want?) Text, well, I am still waiting for partial point sizes and centre justification

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread SN jef chippewa
ja man, i still have my black F2004 T. keeping it safe for another 30 years when i will bring it out and much younger women will run to my side in th(r)ongs because i will be so übercööl and retro. by then, the bong PI lee spoke of will *finally* be working properly and all the years of kl

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
, July 04, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b > > man, for me the upgrade with finale water bottle was the awesomest. > linked parts? meh. staff styles? meh. slurs that are note-attached > instead of page-attached? mmight pay for that one. text and &

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
What about the T-Shirts -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ iMessage ericdannew...@me.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > man, for me the upgrade with finale water bottle was the awesomest. > linked parts? meh.

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread SN jef chippewa
man, for me the upgrade with finale water bottle was the awesomest. linked parts? meh. staff styles? meh. slurs that are note-attached instead of page-attached? mmight pay for that one. text and graphics tool improvements? meh. unicode support? double meh. i would give another 10

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread SN jef chippewa
henry, which ones specifically are you noticing as problematic? i would not trust (and some have described probs) with parts-related tools, the reset staff groups has caused me very much anguish and i'm no longer certain about the layout tool (although it could be part of the probs i had with

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Oh, but that was what the yearly $129 for the latest Finale 20XX was for right? For them to fix bugs and re-introduce old features as new. How many times have they done slurs now in Finale……3 times or something? Every time it's called something new and listed as a new feature. Or the one year wh

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Oh, and boy hasn't that resulted in a TON of great products and updates from MakeMusic….I mean, MusicXML is taking the world by storm….. -- On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-07-04 20:35, Henry Howey wrote: > > I'm noticing that several of the tools ar

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread SN jef chippewa
i COMPLETELY disagree with the idea that it could benefit the user community if MM acquired TGTools, expecting it would simply become yet another sister in the family of dis-functionality that is never quite up to par. linked parts (partly broken in 6 versions now)? score manager? dozens of

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-07-04 20:35, Henry Howey wrote: > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. > > MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan > and MusicXML were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. Gary and Michael became a part of the MM staff as part of the merger w

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread John Blane
I can't help thinking that if MM ever had a handle on how we worked with Finale, they might have integrated the kinds of plug-ins and innovations we have come to depend on Tobias for. They are indispensable, indeed. I would not assume that MM could pick up where he left off or "maintain" TGTools

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread J D Thomas
I tossed this out a couple weeks back and only heard from Chuck. Has anyone had ANY contact at all with Tobias regarding the status of TGTools? I wholeheartedly agree with everyone here who finds them indispensable to our work flow, and I would be more than happy to pay an upgrade fee to keep

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Richard Yates
alf Of > Aaron Sherber > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 12:43 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b > > For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I completely > agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my workflow

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I completely agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my workflow, in ways large and small. Aaron. On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote: > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. > > MakeMusic MUS

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Indeed. It would have made MORE sense to acquire TGTools than the also-ran Garritan. -- On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Henry Howey wrote: > > > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. > > > > MakeMusic MUS

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Chuck Israels
On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Henry Howey wrote: > I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. > > MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. Is there a way to make a "me too" list and send it to MM to emphasize this point? It may something about which all serious users of F

Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Totally agree. TGTools is perhaps one of the only reasons I use Finale over Sibelius. They are absolutely essential. -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ iMessage ericdannew...@me.com On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Henry Howey wrote: > I'm no

[Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b

2012-07-04 Thread Henry Howey
I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. Henry Howey Sent from my iWhatever ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu