Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread dhbailey
Because Dean is capable of doing that without asking on the list, and Dean asked for opinions, which Robert gave. Don't you ever ask people who you know have used some product before you have, whether they are happy with it, before deciding whether or not you want to investigate further? I

RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from the right view percentage. Lame.

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.11.2008 Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread christopher.smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:48 Subject: Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy To: finale@shsu.edu On 14.11.2008 Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? Well, actually, I am not sure whether this is the correct way to decide

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Robert Patterson
The biggest problem with 09 expressions is that because they are not note-attached, they do not stay with the notes when you (metrically) move them. This comes into play most forcefully if you insert a rest before a note, or if you answer with one of the move options coming out of speedy with

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Another thing to think about... I haven't tested how TGTools' Smart Distribution of grouped parts or Smart Explosion of multi-part staves works on 09 but in 08 it is a disaster. It chokes 95% of the time. It forces me to go section by section of an entire score (usually in 10 measure increments)

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea if we are ever going to get a TGTools update for Fin2009? The lack of align-move support keeps me in

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
I don't understand how Linked Parts is going to help with this functionality. It's just not smart enough...at least not as smart as TGTools...was... Steve 11/14/08 10:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
The big advantage is that it is, well, linked. So it updates live, all the time, instead of being dependent on explosion. Also, it *works*, whereas the TGTools function is broken. It's not quite as smart as TGTools used to be but that point is rather moot since the TGTools function is not

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread shirling neueweise
expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but robert sez they are no longer note-attached. how does this work if they are not note-attached? This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I got an email from Mr. Tobias and he said in the next few weeks which was about a week ago or so. So.hopefully before December? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
They are beat-attached but they also check to see if there are notes on that beat. If there are, they avoid them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:32 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but

RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 6:08, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 17:32, shirling neueweise wrote: if you mean moving the expression is now in absolute values instead of metric placement, it sounds like they have finally implemented something which should have been done long ago (and was in fact in sibelius). but that it is no longer

[Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-13 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M.

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-13 Thread Robert Patterson
I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-13 Thread Allen Fisher
Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/ paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.11.2008 Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? Well, actually, I am not sure whether this is the correct way to decide. A lot of the under-the-hood changes in 09 may very well only show their effects deep down into projects, which is not

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-27 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? Yes, but the question was about upgrading from 2005, so the option of upgrading to 2007 isn't available. Thus to a 2005 user,

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-27 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 27, 2008, at 6:20 AM, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? Yes, but the question was about upgrading from 2005, so the option of upgrading to

[Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Kim Richmond
OK guys. I want to see a show of hands. I have MacFin07 and I'm contemplating upgrading to 2008. My question: IS IT WORTH IT? Or am I buying in to more trouble than it's worth? I've seen so many negative things here on the List (although I haven't monitored it every day, thus my question.

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On 26-Mar-08, at 3:23 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: OK guys. I want to see a show of hands. I have MacFin07 and I'm contemplating upgrading to 2008. My question: IS IT WORTH IT? Or am I buying in to more trouble than it's worth? I've seen so many negative things here on the List (although I

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Brian Williams
If you paste or insert data including time signature changes from Finale-opened MIDI files into a new file, you'll have to go through a few extra steps in 2008 because they revised the way music is selected and copied when they introduced the concept of measure stacks. However, they did fix a

RE: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Nancy L Schoen
I am returning to this list after a long hiatus, and am still using 2005a. (My first upgrade from 1997, so am still enamored with how great it is compared to that!) I, too, have wondered whether or not to update, and really appreciate the candid remarks about new and old bugs. :) Thanks! Nancy in

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Nancy L Schoen wrote: I am returning to this list after a long hiatus, and am still using 2005a. (My first upgrade from 1997, so am still enamored with how great it is compared to that!) I, too, have wondered whether or not to update, and really appreciate the

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Actually, 2007 has Linked Parts. And it is Universal Binary on the Mac side (first version to be so I think). 2008 would be a good buy if you had a Mac. The Leopard support is good, and the ability to have a quick view of docs is nice to have. And it is stable. But, since summer is almost here,

Re: [Finale] TO BUY or not to buy

2008-03-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:25, Christopher Smith wrote: Major new features in 2008 include linked parts Linked parts were added in 2007, no? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/