Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.01.2009 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: What's the HWV number, I don't recall that specific title. It's around BWV 340, the title is, as far as I know "Sinfonie diverse", though they are unconnected orchestral movements. I'd like to use some of them as interludes. It's not really very importa

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.01.2009 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: What's the HWV number, I don't recall that specific title. Never mind, I found them, and they aren't particularly useful. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/fi

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Johannes Gebauer wrote: > > Although I agree I think this price is more for performers than for > researchers, isn't it? Doesn't seem to be, no: http://www.haendelfestspiele.halle.de/en/festspiele/haendelpreis/preistraeger.html If performers are the only qualification, then next year I will su

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.01.2009 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I have no idea, but often these prices are given more for a life's > achievement, than for a particular thing the person did. In the case of > Savall I guess he did do a lot for Early Music. Well that's really ashame since there are several notable Handel

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > I have no idea, but often these prices are given more for a life's > achievement, than for a particular thing the person did. In the case of > Savall I guess he did do a lot for Early Music. Well that's really ashame since there are sev

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 26.01.2009 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Thanks Johannes, I had heard about this from one of the involved parties this weekend, and they were quite relieved the matter was settled. I do have a question for you though on a different mater: why was Jordi Savall given the Handel prize from the city of

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > the BGH, the highest civil court in Germany, just confirmed a decision > against the Singakademie regarding Vivaldi's opera Montezuma. The point the > court made is that the Sing Akademie could not prove that the opera had not > already b

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Dear Kim, and all others interested, the BGH, the highest civil court in Germany, just confirmed a decision against the Singakademie regarding Vivaldi's opera Montezuma. The point the court made is that the Sing Akademie could not prove that the opera had not already been in wide circulation a

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread John Howell
At 2:49 PM -0600 1/11/09, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: I have seen many times companies putting out reprints of century or centuries-old manuscripts with no changes except for the strongly-worded copyright notice threatening to torture your first-born if you so much as thi

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: I have seen many times companies putting out reprints of century or centuries-old manuscripts with no changes except for the strongly-worded copyright notice threatening to torture your first- born if you so muc

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Christopher Smith wrote: I have seen many times companies putting out reprints of century or centuries-old manuscripts with no changes except for the strongly-worded copyright notice threatening to torture your first-born if you so much as think about making a copy. There has to be a law agai

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi all: I know there is some interesting research going on with "intellectual copyright" issues in the 18th century, when I find out more, I'll post some information. I will mention that when Christoph Graupner died, the Landgrave of Darmstadt prevented Graupner's estate possession of the manuscri

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread John Howell
At 8:56 AM -0500 1/11/09, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:51 AM, dc wrote: All of Minkoff's facsimiles have a very restrictive copyright notice. Not only do they state the facsimile can't be copied, but also that it can't be transcribed, even partially. I'd be curious to know

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Blake Richardson wrote: There has to be a law against fraudulent copyright notices, isn't there? Nope, there's not. You can claim copyright on the Mona Lisa if you want. Doesn't mean it has the force of law, though, but no one can do anything to you for sayi

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Blake Richardson
> There has to be a law against fraudulent copyright notices, isn't there? Nope, there's not. You can claim copyright on the Mona Lisa if you want. Doesn't mean it has the force of law, though, but no one can do anything to you for saying so. This whole public domain thing is a big issue. Disney

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread John Howell
At 11:51 AM +0100 1/11/09, dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I asked the music reference librarian at the NYPL about this. Saur Verlag does not own copyright on the music as far as the NYPL is concerned and U.S. law) because the music is public domain and you can't copyright a photographic repro

RE: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Richard Yates
>On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:51 AM, dc wrote: > >> All of Minkoff's facsimiles have a very restrictive >copyright notice. >> Not only do they state the facsimile can't be copied, but >also that it >> can't be transcribed, even partially. I'd be curious to know >how much >> of this is bluff.

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:51 AM, dc wrote: > All of Minkoff's facsimiles have a very restrictive copyright notice. Not > only do they state the facsimile can't be copied, but also that it can't be > transcribed, even partially. I'd be curious to know how much of this is > bluff... > I can tell y

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:51 AM, dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I asked the music reference librarian at the NYPL about this. Saur Verlag does not own copyright on the music as far as the NYPL is concerned and U.S. law) because the music is public domain and you can't copyright a photographic r

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-09 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM, John Howell wrote: > If, indeed, a company that does not actually own either the manuscripts > themselves or a copyright in those manuscripts created microfiches from > them, it triggers still other questions: Do those copies constitute a > modern publication? (

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-09 Thread John Howell
At 8:44 AM -0500 1/9/09, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Good Day: I am curious about the copyright situation with the Berlin Sing-Akademie reproductions. I know of a friend in Europe who has asked permission to publish editions of 3 items in the collection but only given permission for one. The situati

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Jan 2009 at 21:43, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 09.01.2009 Daniel Wolf wrote: > > In the case of public domain works by well-known composers, if the works > > are of any artistic merit, it is very hard to argue for any delay or > > restriction in publication of source materials, and an argu

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-09 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 09.01.2009 Daniel Wolf wrote: In the case of public domain works by well-known composers, if the works are of any artistic merit, it is very hard to argue for any delay or restriction in publication of source materials, and an argument against more open access to the raw data should be equa

Re: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues

2009-01-09 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 09.01.2009 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am curious about the copyright situation with the Berlin Sing-Akademie reproductions. I know of a friend in Europe who has asked permission to publish editions of 3 items in the collection but only given permission for one. The situation in the United State