Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-27 Thread Martin Costabel
On 27/04/11 04:14, Daniel Macks wrote: [] And while implementing this, I notice it already *is* allowed. Call it a forward-looking feature or a bug in the implemenation (it's a little of both), but fact is val does allow you to use PatchScript to remove hardcoded /sw in upstream sources.

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-26 Thread Max Horn
Am 18.04.2011 um 17:49 schrieb Daniel Macks: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:50:40 0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 18.04.2011 um 14:49 schrieb Max Horn: OK... anybody opposed? To summarize, this are the changes I propose, each should be trivial to implement: 1) Drop the _warning_ when a package

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-26 Thread Remi Mommsen
Hi, On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Max Horn wrote: Am 18.04.2011 um 17:49 schrieb Daniel Macks: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:50:40 0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 18.04.2011 um 14:49 schrieb Max Horn: OK... anybody opposed? To summarize, this are the changes I propose, each should be trivial to

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-26 Thread Daniel Macks
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:17:40 +0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 18.04.2011 um 17:49 schrieb Daniel Macks: There are some cases were the validator incorrectly complains about perfectly fine packages. Currently, in such cases, the package maintainer then is forced to either make weird unnatural hacks

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-26 Thread Daniel Macks
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:52:54 -0400, Daniel Macks wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:17:40 +0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 18.04.2011 um 17:49 schrieb Daniel Macks: There are some cases were the validator incorrectly complains about perfectly fine packages. Currently, in such cases, the package

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-18 Thread Max Horn
Am 14.04.2011 um 14:33 schrieb Martin Costabel: Max Horn wrote: [] Though I still agree that sometimes it's a bit tough to avoid the package name... OK, I can't think of a concrete example right now, but imagine you had a tool called image for image processing... using the description

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-14 Thread Max Horn
Am 14.04.2011 um 03:30 schrieb Daniel Macks: [...] Would be easy to make validator relax its Description test for obsolete packages (there are already other special allowances for them that are fatal otherwise). That would be good then. Though actually, I wonder if we should relax the

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-14 Thread Martin Costabel
Max Horn wrote: [] Though I still agree that sometimes it's a bit tough to avoid the package name... OK, I can't think of a concrete example right now, but imagine you had a tool called image for image processing... using the description process alone seems a bit too minimalistic. So in the

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-13 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/5/11 8:34 AM, Max Horn wrote: Hi there, we have a bunch of obsolete packages, which typically only still exist to smoothly and automatically transit users to their successor packages. Typically, such packages depend on

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-13 Thread Daniel Johnson
On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote: On 4/5/11 8:34 AM, Max Horn wrote: Hi there, we have a bunch of obsolete packages, which typically only still exist to smoothly and automatically transit users to their successor packages. Typically, such packages depend on

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-13 Thread Daniel Macks
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:50:30 -0400, Daniel Johnson wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote: On 4/5/11 8:34 AM, Max Horn wrote: And so on. I would like to propose that all obsolete packages receive a common, uniform description, namely: OBSOLETE use FOO

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-06 Thread Max Horn
After a brief discussion with dmacks on IRC, let me clarify some points: My proposal is to change the description of obsolete packages to the following *when it makes sense* and isn't too long: Description: OBSOLETE use package 'FOO' instead Some remarks: * Of course there are cases where this

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-06 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/6/11 7:19 AM, Max Horn wrote: After a brief discussion with dmacks on IRC, let me clarify some points: My proposal is to change the description of obsolete packages to the following *when it makes sense* and isn't too long: Description:

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-06 Thread Charles Lepple
On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Max Horn wrote: My view: I would prefer to follow the policy and rev up packages; if a user still has them installed, this way they explicitly see that they are about to update an obsolete package (something they may have missed in the past due to a confusing

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-06 Thread Daniel Macks
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:32:44 -0400, Charles Lepple wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Max Horn wrote: My view: I would prefer to follow the policy and rev up packages; if a user still has them installed, this way they explicitly see that they are about to update an obsolete package

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-06 Thread Daniel Macks
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:26:40 -0400, Alexander Hansen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/6/11 7:19 AM, Max Horn wrote: After a brief discussion with dmacks on IRC, let me clarify some points:   I agree with what Max says I said:)   I've got one thing to add:

[Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-05 Thread Max Horn
Hi there, we have a bunch of obsolete packages, which typically only still exist to smoothly and automatically transit users to their successor packages. Typically, such packages depend on fink-obsolete-packages, which marks them as obsolete. However, I just realized that end users may not be

Re: [Fink-devel] Uniform description for obsolete packages?!

2011-04-05 Thread Max Horn
PS: Some further IMHO problematic examples: w3m-ssl0.5.2-1004 Upgrade package for w3m - this sounds as if the package provides some extra upgraded functionality for w3m. openssl097 0.9.7m-6 Upgrade package for old openssl097* layout - similar