[Fis] about fis discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Pedro Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, During last five years we have had quite many discussion sessions in a row (for the new parties arrived recently, there are a couple of web sites where messages are systematically archived--see below). As suggested by some discussants, having some long pause was needed --p

Re: [Fis] about fis discussions

2007-06-06 Thread karl javorszky
Dear FIS, Pedro is - as is his habitude - too modest again. He has through 15 years of patient work nurtured into being a discussion forum about the fundametals of information, as a general, basic, philosophical topic. To my knowledge, this endeavour is unique. Even more startling appears to some

Re: [Fis] about fis discussions

2007-06-06 Thread karl javorszky
Hi Loet, we agree. The proposition is to use the "natural constants" as a distribution. The distribution - the etalon, encased in Paris - to serve as the basis of counting how many bits appear, is in the simplest case the natural numbersy themselves. Yes, I agree to your assertion that informatio

RE: [Fis] about fis discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Karl, The expected information content of a distribution can be measured, for example, in bits of information. Does one need more than this for defining information? With best wishes, Loet _ Loet Leydesdorff Amsterdam School of Communications Research (ASCoR), Klovenie

RE: [Fis] about fis discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Karl, Unlike physical measures like the meter, information (probabilistic entropy) can be defined mathematically. Thus, one would not need an etalon in Paris. Similarly, I would consider the natural numbers as a special case. The definition can be kept more abstract. With best wishes,