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2010-09-25 Thread Stanley N Salthe
JOSEPH: If the principle of scale hierarchy says that information flows are not possible across scales, perhaps we need to take another look at that principle ;-). S: Let me be more specific; no information flows UNMEDIATED across levels whose changes occur at different scales. Example: mol

Re: [Fis] The Nature of Microphysical Information: Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Clark
rgues that reality is an informational structure. The it-part is in the "structure" which assumes the specification of a system of reference. In evolutionary terms: structure is deterministic/selective; Shannon-type information measures only variation/uncertainty. Best wishes, Loet

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear Rafael, Ø Otherwise bits turns into digital metaphysics Not necessarily if we take that dual nature seriously. They are both waves and particles. I have also written in that sense several times, among others in http://mdh.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:120541/FULLTEXT01 Dear Loet,

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
They simply are an "it-bit" like in Informational Structural Realism of Floridi who (using different reasoning) argues that reality is an informational structure. The it-part is in the "structure" which assumes the specification of a system of reference. In evolutionary terms: structure is de

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Rafael Capurro
dear Gordana just because the bit-view of reality one possible view is. Otherwise bits turns into digital metaphysics. Floridi: he is contradictory. He says/said that the infosphere is not the cybetspace, then yes, then no... Then he says that forms are on a "higher level of abstraction" that

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear all, Regarding the very interesting discussion of "it" from "bit" and vice versa. Usually each level of information processing (semantic, algorithmic, implementational) presupposes some "it" in which "bit" is implemented. In computing, recursions must have a bottom. Could it be the case t

Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model

2010-09-25 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Joe, Please let me start by repeating my idea that fluctuons are "its", that is, energy in some form. If (mathematical) idealism is anti-realist, this is certainly not what I would consider Conrad's theory to be. Stan comes to the same conclusion, that fluctuons are its, but this suggests