Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, Perhaps, I misread or misunderstand some of these discussions, but it seems to me – having read Conrad – that in the background their philosophy is cosmological or, in other words, an attempt to ground “bits in it”. I understand that “it” is considered as a fluctuon and no lon

Re: [Fis] Fw: Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez
Forwarded message, From Jamie Rose De  James Rose Fecha  Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:42:39 -0700 (PDT) A  fis@listas.unizar.es CC  ro...@home.ease.lsoft.com Asunto  Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap And not to be overlooked is Robert Rosen's extensivework identifying and

Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Stanley N Salthe
I would like to comment upon Conrad's statement: "When we look at a biological system we are looking at the face of the > underlying physics of the universe... The picture is not one of > simple upscale percolation. The higher levels act down scale on the > lower levels to redefine their fundament

Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Pedro, Thank you for calling my attention and that of the Group to Conrad's vision and this most important quotation. It is certainly congenial to my logical system, in which downward causation, imperfect circularity and self-inconsistency are accepted as a matter of course and assigned their

Re: [Fis] Recapping the discussion? Joseph's Recap

2010-10-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Joseph and FIS colleagues, "When we look at a biological system we are looking at the face of the underlying physics of the universe... The picture is not one of of simple upscale percolation. The higher levels act down scale on the lower levels to redefine their fundamental characteristic