Re: [Fis] Towards a 3φ integrative medicine

2016-05-17 Thread Rafael Capurro
Karl, I think that the semiotic system of references or the 'world' in which an organism is embedded is indeed a condition of possibility for the in- or de-formational value for the organism (forms are transmitted 'as' messages). What is poison or what healthy for an organism depends on this c

[Fis] Towards a 3φ integrative medicine

2016-05-17 Thread Karl Javorszky
Just a small detail on the information density of food (air, water, sensory input, etc.) in medicine: The DNA has a high informational value for the organism. Can it be said that poison has also an informational value? Can the de-constructive effect of a substance quantified based on the same sem

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2016-05-17 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Colleagues, I’d like to share a possible sensation as of today if true: http://phys.org/news/2016-05-complex-life-billion-years-earlier.html What would this mean in terms of our discussion about life and medicine? Best. Plamen On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <

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2016-05-17 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
This is a very interesting note for me, John! So, the modern symptomatic medicine, the collection of data about illness characteristics has its roots in philosophy? Best, Plamen On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:16 PM, John Collier wrote:

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2016-05-17 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Caro Francesco & cari Tutti, La ringrazio molto per i tuoi pensieri interessanti che associano il dominio soggetto - medicina - con i principi economici di organizzazione. I'll continue in English now. Thank you very much for your interesting thoughts associating the subject domain - medicine

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2016-05-17 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Plamen, Pedro -- It seems to me that perhaps Medicine should not look to mathematics for support or underpinning so much as to SEMIOTICS (that is, Peircean semiotics, being worked today as biosemiotics). Biosemiotics is, in the verbal conceptual realm, almost as complex and messy as medicine, and

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2016-05-17 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Daer Pedro, thank you for your entertaining way of presenting my Sisyphus theme about medicine in a nutshell, which was mostly enjoyable to read. Actually, you are right, medicine is "messy", which qualifies it more like a liberal art discipline rather than science, full of workshop type of hustle

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2016-05-17 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Plamen, Thanks for the synthetic attempt. You have put together pretty complex strands of thought that become too demanding for a general response. I will concentrate in a few points. What is Medicine? In what extent is it amenable to "integration"? Is reductionism an anathema in medici