Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Dear Hector, Whenever I read an email or hear a response that begins with the phrase "With all due respect" I fear that what follows will indeed be disrespectful and self-promoting. Scholarly respect is particularly important when the diversity of backgrounds of the contributors is so broad and th

Re: [Fis] Informatist Information Science

2017-03-30 Thread Xueshan Yan
Dear Krassimir, In fact, the authentication about the proposition of Wheeler is far from our ability right now, we really need the opinions from the researchers who work at the frontiers of physics. According to the modern physics, the matter what we know is only 5-7 % of who matter, more th

Re: [Fis] Informatist Information Science

2017-03-30 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Xueshan, Thank you for your very great work I have chance to see now. Maybe it will be possible to read all your book “Information Science: Concept, System and Perspective” in the near future. Unfortunately, now I have no possibilities to answer with the same coin – but in the future I w

Re: [Fis] a limited response

2017-03-30 Thread Andrew Fingelkurts / BM-Science
Dear FIS colleagues, Being not a mathematician or a physicist, I would also apologise for potentially not accurate usage of the term 'information'. At the same time I tend to accept the below mentioned definition that "Information is a description of structures observable in a given data set".

[Fis] MODERATION NOTE Re: Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
To ALL discussants: Please, take into account that posting in this list is restricted to two messages per week. It is the Second Rule of our info club... Best--Pedro Fis List moderator El 30/03/2017 a las 11:12, John Collier escribió: Dear Hector, Personally I agree that algorithmic inform

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread John Collier
Dear Hector, Personally I agree that algorithmic information theory and the related concepts of randomness and Bennett’s logical depth are the best way to go. I have used them in many of my own works. When I met Chaitin a few years back we talked mostly about how unrewarding and controversial o

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread Hector Zenil
Dear John et al. Some comments below: On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:47 AM, John Collier wrote: > I think we should try to categorize and relate information concepts rather > than trying to decide which is the “right one”. I have tried to do this by > looking at various uses of information in science

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread John Collier
I think we should try to categorize and relate information concepts rather than trying to decide which is the “right one”. I have tried to do this by looking at various uses of information in science, and argue that the main uses show progressive containment: Kinds of Information in Scientific

Re: [Fis] Causation is transfer of information

2017-03-30 Thread John Collier
Interesting papers. I have a few remarks, but no time right now. I heartily agree with your general point. John Collier Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal http://web.ncf.ca/collier From: Hector Zenil [mailto:hzen...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday