[Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-15 Thread Karl Javorszky
Music : Noise = Meaning : Data Dear Friends, if one likes contemporary music, one is being well cared for in Vienna, specifically during the November festival “wien modern”. The concert cycle “klangforum wien” also introduces creative approaches to what is the state of the art in creating a

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-19 Thread Dai Griffiths
On 15/03/18 10:11, Karl Javorszky wrote: >To me, it does not appear necessary to make a distinction between “reality” and “data” That's a defensible position, but it does constrain 'reality' to 'that which we can perceive'. Which would rule out the reality of things that we cannot perceive,

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-19 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Dai, thank you for your thoughtful comments on diversity, particularities and generalities. In my case, setting “reality” equivalent to “data” is one more little effort on my part to make all things appear enumerable. As you graciously concede, this is an acceptable perspective. For the mu

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Dai, Hi Carl, Hi colleagues, > On 19 Mar 2018, at 16:22, Dai Griffiths wrote: > > On 15/03/18 10:11, Karl Javorszky wrote: > > >To me, it does not appear necessary to make a distinction between “reality” > >and “data” > > That's a defensible position, but it does constrain 'reality' to 't

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Stan, > On 20 Mar 2018, at 20:22, Stanley N Salthe wrote: > > Bruno -- In this context I like to point out the constraints on our abilities > of perception. First, we are physical. That is a strong metaphysical assumption. See my paper for showing this is not compatible with the Digit

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-23 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Bruno -- That is an interesting, creative move! But my point was simply that the observer cannot be 'objective', but always brings in many constraints to any observation, which might have been made from yet another perspective, of which we cannot imagine the number or qualities of. STAN On Thu,

Re: [Fis] Music : Noise = Meaning : Data

2018-03-24 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Friends, we keep talking in different systems of references. Nevertheless, there are points about which some clarification is helpful, to connect the translucent picture of numbers to the movies you see. Let us talk some absolute numbers, in the hope of clarifying the background. Dai wro