RE: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-26 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com ...2) Also, context matters. ... --Gail   Thanks Gail.  You answered that much better than I could have. Put a novice on him and he acts like he has no idea what they want him to do. Granted, they may not have much finesse in their aids

Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-26 Thread Robin Churchill
This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com It is not a training issue.   Robin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l

Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-26 Thread Robin Churchill
This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com His rope skills were good enough that he could slap the side of a horse's face crisply,   I know some may disagree but I would not be interested in using a trainer who smacked the side of my horse's head crisply unless there was a really

Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-26 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com OK I guess it can't be fixed then. --- On Wed, 6/26/13, Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Kim Manzoni
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com We definitely have a herd leader here. I see the hierarchy at work every day with my 5 horses. I imagine the only way to not see herd leadership at work is if you keep your horses in individual paddocks. My husband definitely is herd

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com I know. --- On Mon, 6/24/13, Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, June 24, 2013

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com I've never seen them riding on each other.  --- On Mon, 6/24/13, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence To: Fjord List fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, June 24

RE: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Rovena Kessinger
remote-control toy cars to train horses, mimicking NH, and it worked.  So unless horses can see toy cars as their herd leader, that's not what's going on. --- On Mon, 6/24/13, Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com wrote: From: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com Subject: RE: Disposition/intelligence To: fjordhorse

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Robin Churchill
This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com All that stuff about being herd leader is mythology   I guess you have never seen horses interact   To that end there is an article in July Equus by Jennifer Williams PhD who I think is an equine behaviorist about the importance of the

Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Robin Churchill
This message is from: Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com Respect is another word that has no meaning when applied to animals.  The behavior is either trained, or it isn't. If that is the case, how do you explain the situation when a horse is trained to do something and another handler asks the

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Jun 24, 2013, at 17:11, Robin Churchill rbc...@yahoo.com wrote: Put a novice on him and he acts like he has no idea I have to laugh I had

RE: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-24 Thread Gail Russell
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com If one trains using negative reinforcement (like, say, wiggling the rope or doing one of Clinton's exercises where the stick is used to agitate the rope), oftentimes the skill of the rope wiggler matters. I had a trainer come to pick up two

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com After the bad things I've heard about horses being sent places, I am never going to do that. I've had mine since last fall, and our relationship is still changing.  They are not like dogs, who can love you completely in about 5 seconds. 

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2013-06-23 Thread Kimberley Manzoni
Original Message Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence From: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com CC: This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com After the bad things I've heard about horses being sent places, I am never going to do that. I've

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. it takes 2 years for a horse to settle in to a new home I found this to be very true when I got Zoe 3 years ago . She was nervous hyper

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Jun 23, 2013, at 15:46, Kimberley Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com wrote: NH training should present you as a herd leader to your horse and earn his

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Rovena Kessinger
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 6/23/13, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 6:27 PM This message

Re: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Rovena Kessinger
...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kimberley Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Disposition/intelligence To: fjordhorse angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 5:46 PM This message is from: Kimberley Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com I don't think NH training

Re: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Me Kint
This message is from: Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. On Jun 23, 2013, at 17:34, Rovena Kessinger ro_k...@yahoo.com wrote: All that stuff about being herd leader is mythology I guess you have never

RE: Disposition/intelligence

2013-06-23 Thread Gail Russell
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com All that stuff about being herd leader is mythology I guess you have never seen horses interact I think she was referring to the idea that horses see humans as their herd leader...as a sort of replacement for the horse leader. I agree