Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-28 Thread Nik Derewianka
On 8/28/07, dorkie dork from dorktown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this is just my opinion but i don't think adobe wants you to code outside of > the box. i don't think they'll give you that much more access to the system. > for one, security. any security issues would slow down adoption. two, c

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread dorkie dork from dorktown
this is just my opinion but i don't think adobe wants you to code outside of the box. i don't think they'll give you that much more access to the system. for one, security. any security issues would slow down adoption. two, cross compatibility. cross compatibility is one of the enticing features f

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
No arguments. ;) Tony Alves wrote: > > > Hello Jeffry, > > I agree with you. I do not see a benefit of running a word processor in > an online application unless it is maybe to edit some content in the > application. I really do not want to run my word processor in a browser > applicatio

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
hank williams wrote: > > > Software as a service feels like a move back to the 'dumb client' > > model of mainframes. Even if it does take off en masse, I don't expect > > it to replace traditional desktop apps. > > > > Naw dude, not at all. > > Connected or software as service doesn't have

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread hank williams
> > Software as a service feels like a move back to the 'dumb client' > model of mainframes. Even if it does take off en masse, I don't expect > it to replace traditional desktop apps. > Naw dude, not at all. Connected or software as service doesn't have to mean bad terminal like software, t

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
Fair enough, good point. I'd say 99.9% of my usage with Flex Builder / Eclipse is non-connected, though. Tony Alves wrote: > > > Jeffry, > What about the updates in Flex Builder? Updates check the internet. > > I do agree that not all apps are connected to the internet. > > Jeffry Houser

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
hank williams wrote: > > > lol. You cant take my statement 100% literally. Yeah I know this is a > programmers forum but how about allow for a little err... creative > license. Fair enough. ;) > Really only a > handful of companies today make money selling software, and they include > M

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
lol. You cant take my statement 100% literally. Yeah I know this is a programmers forum but how about allow for a little err... creative license. There is almost nothing that is 100% true. But there are *very* few programs that are sold today that do not have a connected component. I used to write

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
> I disagree. I am not certain how Director works, since I've never > used it except to make movies that were then integrated into > Authorware, but Authorware has the ability to either incorporate the > runtime into the content file as a new exe or to provide it > separately. The fact that

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread Tony Alves
Jeffry, What about the updates in Flex Builder? Updates check the internet. I do agree that not all apps are connected to the internet. Jeffry Houser wrote: > > > Interesting perspective. I believe it is incorrect. I use many > desktop applications that do not need /have connectivity. Flex Buil

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
> > > > AIR apps *cannot* currently be distributed on CD. > > I'm unsure of specifics, but why not? It will be a 'version 1' > feature, per this FAQ: > > > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/AIR:Developer_FAQ#Can_I_create_CD-ROM_or_Kiosk_applications_that_leverage_Adobe_AIR.3F > > If they ha

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
hank williams wrote: >> > >> > Actually, AIR uses special non publicly available pieces of the flash >> > platform to make installing totally seamless. When you click on an AIR >> > app to download, it it leverages this not publicly available stuff to >> > download the AIR runtime in the ba

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
Interesting perspective. I believe it is incorrect. I use many desktop applications that do not need /have connectivity. Flex Builder is one great example. hank williams wrote: > > > > > > I'm saying that there is no market for AIR in non-connected desktop > > applications. > > > >

[flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread droponrcll
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/25/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hank williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So in your mind, Adobe's goal of being cross platform should be > > > > > abando

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
The issue I was referring to was whether it would be possible to do so without being online and Via CD. My understanding was that this was not the case. These two concepts I suspect are not in conflict. The FAQ merely says that people will be able to write their own installers. Writing your own ins

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread Thijs Triemstra | Collab
On Aug 26, 2007, at 10:52 AM, hank williams wrote: > > AIR apps *cannot* currently be distributed on CD. The SDK can, just as > the Flex SDK can or any library or compiler can. The SDK is just > libraries, and distributing them via CD does not mean that the > resulting apps can be distributed via

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread Claus Wahlers
hank williams wrote: > I think in 2007 we can almost safely say there is no market for *any* > non-connected desktop applications, with or without AIR. Bold words... Cheers, Claus.

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
> > I'm saying that there is no market for AIR in non-connected desktop > applications. > > -- I think in 2007 we can almost safely say there is no market for *any* non-connected desktop applications, with or without AIR. Hank

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-26 Thread hank williams
> > > > > Actually, AIR uses special non publicly available pieces of the flash > > platform to make installing totally seamless. When you click on an AIR > > app to download, it it leverages this not publicly available stuff to > > download the AIR runtime in the background. > > That all s

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-25 Thread Jeffry Houser
hank williams wrote: > > > > > You cant really compare AIR to authorware and director. These were > > > both very thinly deployed tools (compared to flash) > > > > Shouldn't we be comparing them to AIR in this case? I'd be willing to > > bet that AIR's deployment (at this stage) is very thin

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-25 Thread hank williams
On 8/25/07, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > hank williams wrote: > > > > > > > > So in your mind, Adobe's goal of being cross platform should be > > > > abandoned since there is no way to do cross-platform COM? Would you > > > > find it acceptable if it allowed you

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-25 Thread Jeffry Houser
hank williams wrote: > > > > > So in your mind, Adobe's goal of being cross platform should be > > > abandoned since there is no way to do cross-platform COM? Would you > > > find it acceptable if it allowed you to do Mac only desktop stuff or > > > does windows only compatible == desktop so

Re: [flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-25 Thread hank williams
> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > So in your mind, Adobe's goal of being cross platform should be > > abandoned since there is no way to do cross-platform COM? Would you > > find it acceptable if it allowed you to do Mac only desktop

[flexcoders] Re: AIR vs DLL vs. External code?

2007-08-25 Thread droponrcll
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So in your mind, Adobe's goal of being cross platform should be > abandoned since there is no way to do cross-platform COM? Would you > find it acceptable if it allowed you to do Mac only desktop stuff or > does w