Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-10 Thread Ray Andrews
Jim, Yep, you got it! The problem is compounded by the fact the fact that most digital mode programs, including MixW, allow you to select any signal visible within their waterfall display, therefore allowing any offset to be used. So much for your calculator! The operator would have to

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-10 Thread Mike Naruta
Back when I built my Twin Cities and HAL ST-6 TUs, transmitters with FSK FM'd the transmit frequency back and forth between Mark and Space. A very few transmitters had FSK. You usually had to dig into the VFO and use a diode and capacitor to shift the frequency. Later, as a shortcut to getting

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Mumaw
Of Ray Andrews Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:02 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Jim Dunstan Subject: Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem Jim, Yep, you got it! The problem is compounded by the fact the fact that most digital mode programs, including MixW, allow you to select

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-10 Thread Ray Andrews
Jim, We no longer disagree over the definition of MCW. I was wrong. After checking the FCC regs, they define it a bit more narrowly than I was. So, what the SDR-1000 Flex-5000 generate is not MCW according to the FCC definition. 73, Ray, K9DUR -- next part -- An

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-10 Thread Ray Andrews
Mike, You wrote: AFSK is not legal on HF. You are only partly correct. Part 97 does not use or define the term AFSK, only RTTY data. If you refer to AFSK as feeding audio tones into a SSB transmitter, then it would be either emission type J2B (RTTY) or J2D (data) both of which are legal

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Larry Loen
Tim Ellison wrote: In actualality, the recently added enhancement #1114 submitted by Mark, NU6X really needs to be modified to request FSK mode support in PowerSDR rather than modifying the behavior of DIGIu and DIGIl modes, which is essentially correct for ASFK. I think this would satisfy all

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Ray Andrews
As a casual digital modes operator, I have been following this thread with interest. Now I might as well clutter up the bandwidth some more and add my thoughts on the subject. These are just that, thoughts. Some may be valid, some may be totally erroneous, some may be laughable, but

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Jim Dunstan
At 10:57 AM 7/9/2007 -0400, you wrote: As a casual digital modes operator, I have been following this thread with interest. Now I might as well clutter up the bandwidth some more and add my thoughts on the subject. These are just that, thoughts. Some may be valid, some may be totally

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread lwloen
No disrespect, but how can you tell the difference between an FSK RTTY signal and AFSK RTTY signal, other than examining or inquiring the method used to generate the signals? As regards CW vs MCW ... MCW is (at the receiving end) a signal with a carrier and a keyed audio component; one does

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Jim Dunstan
At 01:55 PM 7/9/2007 -0500, you wrote: This isn't about the signal the other fellow receives and decodes. This is all about how the signal is produced on our end and how other 3rd party software integrates (or, more importantly, DOES NOT integrate) with the PowerSDR console while producing it.

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Ray Andrews
Jim, No disrespect implied by your comments. I agree with you. When I stated that the Flex radios generate AKSK rather than FSK, I WAS referring to the method used to generate them. If the AFSK transmitter is well designed and properly adjusted, the 2 signals are indistinguishable on the

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread petervn
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org . Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Ray Andrews Verzonden: di 10-7-2007 0:51 Aan: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; Jim Dunstan Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem Jim

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Mark Mumaw
Jim, Do you ever use DX cluster or spot log software. While chasing DX or during a RTTY contest the logging/contest software automatically sets the rigs freq. When I broadcast a spot, the software will automatically capture the rigs freq. By long established convention this is the MARK freq

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Mark Mumaw
more exciting. 73's Mark NU6X Sedona, AZ -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:58 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Cc: Mark Mumaw Subject: RE: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem In actualality, the recently

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Duane - N9DG
H, methinks the solution is just a few lines of code away. Perhaps make the DIGI U and/or DIGI L be able to be toggled between DIGI and RTTY (right click???), provide the 2125 offset as the default (but be configurable). All in all it seems like a 'low hanging fruit' feature enhancement that

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread lwloen
I don't mean to belabor the point but I am curious what the 'integration' problem is with AFSK and third party software (I use MixW for the most part ... but I have tried any number of other programs). Jim, VE3CI The issue is who knows or (worse) think they know what about what. On MixW,

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-09 Thread Jim Dunstan
At 10:48 PM 7/9/2007 -0500, you wrote: Do I know this is a big problem? No, not quite yet, though I have seen enough in everyone's various postings to be mighty suspicious. RTTY and PSK31 are clearly at odds for sure. What I do suggest is that we lay all this out for at least several of the

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-08 Thread lwloen
Larry, I'm not sure a fully understand your post. I have to use the XIT/RIT in a non standard way to overcome a problem the PowerSDR has with RTTY. I have no problem with clearing RIT on click tune but PLEASE !!! give me another way to make PowerSDR compatible with the long accepted

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-08 Thread Mark Mumaw
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:03 AM To: Mark Mumaw Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'FlexRadio reflector' Subject: RE: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem Larry, I'm not sure a fully understand your post. I have to use the XIT/RIT in a non standard way

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-08 Thread Ian Wade
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Mumaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes This concept of using the MARK Freq instead of the Carrier freq is probably unique to RTTY. I don't know why it was established but unfortunately it is here to stay. Almost all (if not all) modern rigs have accepted this

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-08 Thread Dudley Hurry
Ian, Since we are transmitting AFSK, when I transmit with one my other radios, on lower SB, that still puts the mark freq in the same place.. Now if I transmit FSK on the Pro, that's different, but the transmitter in LSB still starts at 0 and goes to 3k bandwidth for AFSK, I still

[Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-07 Thread Mark Mumaw
It appears that a recent change has been made to automaticly turn off RIT when click tuning. I can see how this might make sense but it is a REAL problem with how many of us have to use RTTY on the Flex. It is my convention that the displayed freq. is the mark freq. not the carrier freq. Every

Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem

2007-07-07 Thread Mark Mumaw
07, 2007 9:19 PM To: Mark Mumaw Cc: FlexRadio reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] RIT cleared on click tuning- RTTY problem The preferred solution to this would be to provide a display offet freq for but DIGL and DIGU similar to the Click Tune Offset provided under the GeneralOptions setup screen