Re: [Flightgear-devel] SDL "early access" implementation

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Bernie Bright wrote: Just updated cvs. Your fix looks for GL/glut.h when --enable-sdl is specified. I thought it was supposed to be either or. Not at this time, there are too many side projects/utilities that depend on glut (for example the tests subdirectory which gets build by default). Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large, [...] and more importantly it can't be distributed. At all. That was my fear. Opinions differ (widely!) on this point. But in general, adding a dynamic loadin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: > Andy Ross wrote: > > > It's a fine way, just not the only one. Most people run their > > desktops at high resolutions that may not be good choices for a 3D > > buffer. Older cards (like the Radeon 7500 in my laptop) can handle > > FlightGear just fine, but not at 1280x10

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Oliver C.
On Thursday 08 April 2004 15:11, Jim Wilson wrote: > You know with the huge vid memories and fast GPUs now, and the fact that > LCD's are fixed resolution anyway, it won't be too many more years before > mode switching will be a thing of the past! The problem with LCDs is, that their physical res

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: > Is it not possible to just include my work (with some improvements > such as conditional compilation of the functionality) with the > distribution of FlightGear ? It would make my task of making people > accept FlightGear here easier... But you seem to miss the point.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ear Candy

2004-04-08 Thread Jim Wilson
Jorge Van Hemelryck said: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:36:25 -0500 > Jon Berndt wrote: > > > Does FlightGear (or _could_ FlightGear) model Doppler shift and distance > > attenuation of an aircraft sound as viewed from the tower (or wherever) as > > the aircraft approaches and recedes? > > OpenAL can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > I'm not sure what to think about this, but ... We already allow for > things like this and I can see the need to drive external HUD code > from within FlightGear (if nothing else for FlightGear's own HUD code > on a separate display). My understanding was that this was a patc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: I'm not sure what to think about this, but ... We already allow for things like this and I can see the need to drive external HUD code from within FlightGear (if nothing else for FlightGear's own HUD code on a separate display). My understanding was that this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:14:57 -0500 "Jon S Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). Jon http://www.delorie.com/howto/cygwin/mno-cygwin-h

[Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread David Luff
On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: >How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and >libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, >require the cygwin dll to execute). > I *think* that you just include the -mno-cygwin flag during compilation. eg g+

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:26:08 +0100 "David Luff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think, require the cygwin dll to execute). I *think*

[Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures

2004-04-08 Thread Jonathan Richards
I'm trying to experiment with alternative terrain textures for the scenery which I have built for the UK, but which looks odd when it's painted to look like an irrigated American prairie :¬) I took a look at $FG_ROOT/materials.xml, which defines how the materials are put together, and determined

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures

2004-04-08 Thread Richard Bytheway
> -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Richards > Sent: 08 April 2004 5:11 pm > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain textures > > > I'm trying to experiment with alternative terrain textures > for the scenery > which I have built for the UK, but whi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
First of all, I hope that I don't sound too harsh or rude when I write. I tend to be that way when argumenting. The only thing I want to show here is good will. On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:10:39 -0700 Andy Ross wrote: > But you seem to miss the point. It would also *remove* the GPL > requirements fro

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Folks, As mentioned a few days ago, it appears that flightgear either aborts, or fails with a DEADBEEF assertion error after running for a somewhat longer period (about 1 to two hours). So I tried and do some testing by running fgfs from inside the gnu debugger. It aborted after about 1.5 to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Jon S Berndt wrote: > On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:26:08 +0100 > "David Luff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >On 4/8/04 at 10:14 AM Jon S Berndt wrote: > > > >>How does one get g++ under CygWin to use the mingw includes and > >>libraries instead of the nominally supplied ones (which, I think,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: > The GPL requirements are in no way removed, of course. OK, excellent. My fear was that your management/team was afraid the GPL, and you were trying to sell them on this patch as a way to "get around" it. But do be aware that this stuff is complicated. An FSF interpr

[Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread Carlos Renato
Hi, I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed the gauges and radio stack for it? Regards, Carlos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Mingw

2004-04-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:27:50 +0200 "Frederic Bouvier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess that you should link with -lwsock32 ( or -lws2_32 if it isn't working ) -Fred That fixed it, thanks. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Carlos Renato wrote: I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed the gauges and radio stack for it? Are you aski

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Andy Ross wrote: > But do be aware that this stuff is complicated. An FSF interpretation > of their license in a FAQ is not itself a license. There are many > examples of dynamic linkage between GPL and proprietary code that are > not generally interpreted as violations (bina

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Jon Stockill wrote: > That's because Linus made the exception - not because it's allowed by > the GPL - in effect he extended the rights granted by the GPL (this is > allowed - it's restricting rights that's forbidden). You're thinking about the exception for running programs, which appears at the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: source/src/Main fg_os_sdl.cxx, 1.5, 1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Norman Vine
Andy Ross writes: > > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > Ok, since you have your head into this at the moment: With X11, is it > > possible to run an SDL app in window (so it behaves well with the > > window manger) but in a window that fills the entire screen and is > > undecorated (so it looks "full scr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Durk Talsma wrote: > It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from stackdump > item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this part of the > code, this might just be a wild guess. > > Anyways, I hope that this is useful debug information. Can others > confirm th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More on JSBSim ground trimming issue

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:41:08 +0200, Erik wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > /gear/nose ..this also works for the big An-226 and B-52 and the Bleriot having twin nose gear? ..AFAIK, the Bleriot "mains" are effectively 2 free swiveling nose wheels, and the "tail wheel" is effectively a "n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 09 April 2004 01:47, Andy Ross wrote: > Durk Talsma wrote: > > It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from > > stackdump item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this > > part of the code, this might just be a wild guess. > > > > Anyways, I hope th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Abort: AIMgr problem??

2004-04-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: It looks like the crash is somewhere inside the AIMgr (judging from stackdump item #15), but since I'm still incredably unfamiliar with this part of the code, this might just be a wild guess. Anyways, I hope that this is useful debug information. Can others c

[Flightgear-devel] Memory Corruption

2004-04-08 Thread Andy Ross
Lee Elliott wrote: > I first reported this on 02-April and had updated from cvs two > days prior to mentioning the problem. I think the last update > I'd done before that was about two weeks earlier. Can anyone confirm the same behavior from the 0.9.4 binaries? (I think it branched sometime righ

[Flightgear-devel] ..more legal _shit_, Microsofts New Zeeland XML patent...

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..more legal _shit_, Microsofts New Zeeland XML patent... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040408113135111 http://www.nzoss.org.nz/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=290 http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=EP1376387&QPN=EP1376387 http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:27:10 -0700, Andy wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Jon Stockill wrote: > > That's because Linus made the exception - not because it's allowed > > by the GPL - in effect he extended the rights granted by the GPL > > (this is allowed - it's restricting rights that's fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:54:10 +0200, Jorge wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:50:44 -0700 > Andy Ross wrote: > > > Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote: > > > We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large, > > > [...] and more importantly it can't be distribute

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Real Cockpit Instruments

2004-04-08 Thread John Wojnaroski
> Hi, > > I am trying to assemble a cockpit with simulated instruments, I checked the > previus messages and I found the procedures to use some different joysticks > but there were no information for instrumentation, does someone developed > the gauges and radio stack for it? > > Regards, > Did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 04:25:22 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..you, Jorge, will be in violation with the GPL, unless, you makes your > modified FG source code avaliable to your military client. No I won't, we have no client here, and no intention to distribute anything but FlightGear alone (so that ot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external HUD proposal (with code !)

2004-04-08 Thread Jorge Van Hemelryck
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 04:37:30 +0200 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..you wrote it, rip it apart and see if _some_ things _can_ be GPL'ed. Actually, I didn't write the HUD code. This code already existed when I started working on the project. > ..on selling the GPL to your military client, tell them about