Re: [Flightgear-devel] why jittering,use external fdm

2007-02-01 Thread tangyong
Hi Curt, Just as you and Stuart said,the main reason of jittering is the inconsistent frame rate.But I find that if several FG clients connect to a local server ''fgms'',each client can see each other correctly and the flight is smooth,no jittering.Is there no fps varying when we use multip

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Jon, Thanks for the link. Now all I have are Macs, so I'll try it when I go back to Japan. Tat On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > DATCOM+ could probably help, here, but it is not an easy tool for > beginners. > See www.holycows.net/datcom. > > Jon > -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Jon S. Berndt
DATCOM+ could probably help, here, but it is not an easy tool for beginners. See www.holycows.net/datcom. Jon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Tatsuhiro Nishioka > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:41 PM > To: FlightGear developers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Josh Babcock
Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote: > Hi, > > I've started J7W Shinden, an Imperial Japanese Navy intercepter for > FlightGear. Cool. I always loved that airplane. Too bad only one (less than one, really) survived. I hope NASM gets around to restoring it soon, but I doubt it since it saw, IIRC, no action

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > How did you get the aerodynamic coefficients? Is there any > published data > for this? > > Jon Well, no web articles or books are available for aerodynamic coefficients of this aircraft, so most of the parameters are guesstimate at this mom

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interesting 3d Model formats (was Trains?)

2007-02-01 Thread leee
On Friday 02 February 2007 00:51, Josh Babcock wrote: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > It also occured to me that you could just about automate this process > > entirely ... and create your own paper 3d models from nicely done > > low-poly count models. > > > > I don't know, I thought it was really cool a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Trains?

2007-02-01 Thread leee
On Thursday 01 February 2007 09:55, Joacim Persson wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, leee wrote: > > On Thursday 01 February 2007 00:35, Curtis Olson wrote: > >> For what it's worth, if someone wanted to adapt one of our existing > >> fdm's to do automotive vehicle dynamics, that would be a cool thing.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread GWMobile
POV ray (an open source ray tracer) uses an algorythm called procedural textures to defines swirls in 3 d objects such as a slice across a piece of knotted wood or marble at any point within the object to sett the color of that pixel. Flightgear could use a similiar procedural textures with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Shinden has a canard configuration with a pusher propeller and it's > aerodynamically too unstable in yasim so I made it a bit too > forgiving in stalling for now. > I hope many people fly it and tell me how to improve the stability > without doing this. I know it's supposed to be a bit unstable

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interesting 3d Model formats (was Trains?)

2007-02-01 Thread Josh Babcock
Curtis Olson wrote: > It also occured to me that you could just about automate this process > entirely ... and create your own paper 3d models from nicely done low-poly > count models. > > I don't know, I thought it was really cool and I thoroughly enjoyed putting > the model together, but I ofte

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Melchior, # you sent me some of emails but this topic can be shared with others, so I'll post it to the list. Thanks for sending me the patch. I'm going to update the script with your patch (for both Ki-84 and J7W). I will also have implement the canopy movement in j7w/Models/j7w.xml soon if

[Flightgear-devel] c310-ifr

2007-02-01 Thread polly
Hello, I think the recently changed Aircraft/c310/c310.xml must be copied onto it's clone in Aircraft/c310u3a/ .. c310-ifr fails at startup in today's CVS. Thanks, p -- <=> - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to su

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On Thursday 01 February 2007 14:47, Curtis Olson wrote: > When a weather update only changes the cloud layer heights, then we can > slowly/smoothly move them to the new heights.  But when we need to add or > remove layers or the coverage % changes, then we might be able to slowly > blend layers in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Can't seem to get around the this run time error.

2007-02-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ed Sirett -- Friday 02 February 2007: > get "can't find libosgUtil.so." > > The library is in /usr/local/lib/ as a symlink to the library in the > OpenScene... development tree. > > /usr/local/lib in in the ldconfig path. Check if the lib paths are really correct : $ ldd `which fgfs`

[Flightgear-devel] Can't seem to get around the this run time error.

2007-02-01 Thread Ed Sirett
Hi all, It's been a while since I last tried to build from the CVS. I've managed to get the build done OK. But when I run the program I just get "can't find libosgUtil.so." The library is in /usr/local/lib/ as a symlink to the library in the OpenScene... development tree. /usr/local/lib in in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Tatsuhiro Nishioka -- Friday 02 February 2007: > Melchior, > > I haven't made a 0.9.10 compatibility branch yet. What would be > > the differences? Only the n/N bindings? > > At this moment, yes. Err ... but the "/sim/signals/fdm-initialized" listener won't work on 0.9.10. This signal was intro

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Melchior, Thanks! On Feb 1, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Tatsuhiro Nishioka -- Thursday 01 February 2007: >> Could you check in the files for 0.9.10 (and for CVS) into the CVS >> repository in the same way you did Ki-84 for me? > > Checked in, thanks. Very funny aircraft. :-) Yes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Tatsuhiro Nishioka -- Thursday 01 February 2007: > Could you check in the files for 0.9.10 (and for CVS) into the CVS > repository in the same way you did Ki-84 for me? Checked in, thanks. Very funny aircraft. :-) I haven't made a 0.9.10 compatibility branch yet. What would be the differences

[Flightgear-devel] J7W Shinden

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, I've started J7W Shinden, an Imperial Japanese Navy intercepter for FlightGear. You can download it from: http://macflightgear.sourceforge.net/home/aircraft/ Shinden has a canard configuration with a pusher propeller and it's aerodynamically too unstable in yasim so I made it a bit too

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 2/1/07, Joacim Persson wrote: Affirmative. ;) Looking at the code I can tell there's years of development in layers on top of each other there, not entirely consistent with a one and same philosophy. Actually the code was mostly developed in one chunk, it just came out extra complicated ..

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Ki-84 Ki-84-set.xml, 1.4,

2007-02-01 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Melchior, Thanks. I'll mention about his on my website too. I'm going to ask you the same thing for another aircraft soon :-) Tat On Feb 1, 2007, at 3:04 AM, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Tatsuhiro Nishioka -- Thursday 01 February 2007: >> On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Melchior FRANZ wrote: >>> ... i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread John
I know this is going to get me in trouble. Perhaps we have it backwards... The "environment" is a not an active computing element, it merely exists and does not care about the objects in it. It effects the objects but has no knowledge of the objects. rather the objects sense the environment an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch: Re: Bug in property tree

2007-02-01 Thread Maik Justus
Hi, nobody complained, therefore I think we should commit this to cvs. I am not sure, if it is better to remove the (commented) debug code now or later (don't know if someone tested this patch, Here it works fine. But for a final test I need someone with this patch on MP). Maik Maik Justu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Martin Spott
Joacim Persson wrote: > [...] My feeling is that there > should first and foremost be a defined interface for weather vs the rest of > the sim system. Then people can hook up whatever they like to it using that > interface. Definitely - this is the strength of OSS projects that you can take to ti

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Joacim Persson
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Curtis Olson wrote: > It's somewhat of a complex C++ inheritance maze to wade through, Affirmative. ;) Looking at the code I can tell there's years of development in layers on top of each other there, not entirely consistent with a one and same philosophy. > I'm not a big fan

Re: [Flightgear-devel] why jittering,use external fdm

2007-02-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 2/1/07, tangyong wrote: Hi,everybody.I use these command lines to record a flight,then I replay it. Recording: fgfs --generic=file,out,20,flight.out,playback Playback: fgfs --generic=file,in,20,flight.out,playback --fdm=external but when I replay the flight record,I find the aircraft jitt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Joacim Persson
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, George Patterson wrote: > The interpolation should also take into account the distance between the > METAR stations and the plane and weight the effect of the weather > effects from there. > > Example: If I am flying right above a METAR station and there is another > one 100km

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread Curtis Olson
On 1/31/07, Joacim Persson wrote: I have an idea of how to at least partially fix the problem with the "wall of weather" when flying with METAR updates, which when flying on autopilot in a light aircraft often, not to say usually, results in advanced airobatic manouvers, loss of control, altitud

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The infamous invisible wall of weather

2007-02-01 Thread George Patterson
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 23:45 +, leee wrote: > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 18:09, Joacim Persson wrote: > > I have an idea of how to at least partially fix the problem with the "wall > > of weather" when flying with METAR updates, which when flying on autopilot > > in a light aircraft often, not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/Ki-84 Ki-84-set.xml, 1.4,

2007-02-01 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Tatsuhiro Nishioka -- Thursday 01 February 2007: > On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > ... if you want the ki-84 in CVS in a version that works with 0.9.10, > > then we could also revert that patch, tag the aircraft with > > "0.9.10-compatible" (or something), and only remove t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Terragear-devel] new designed KNID airport lower than

2007-02-01 Thread Martin Spott
alexis bory wrote: > Is actual Scenery version 9.10 for USA, STRM-1 or STRM-3 ? 3 arc sec. SRTM2 for most of the world (not sure about the poles), Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] hsi.xml now responds to serviceable flag (or lack thereof)

2007-02-01 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 23:47, John Denker wrote: > Well, I'm only smart enough to find ones that refer to DG by the name DG. > This includes one with an electrical.nas. > ./Aircraft/SeaVixen/Systems/seavixen-electrical.nas:DG = Output.new > ("DG", I notice the Sea Vixen su

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Terragear-devel] new designed KNID airport

2007-02-01 Thread Martin Spott
alexis bory wrote: > Martin Spott a ?crit : > > It should be noted that TerraGear is now capable of using shapefiles > > for landcover data instead of parsing 'raw' VMap0. A set of > > shapefiles is available here: > > > > ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TGShapes/ > How different is t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Trains?

2007-02-01 Thread Joacim Persson
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, leee wrote: > On Thursday 01 February 2007 00:35, Curtis Olson wrote: >> For what it's worth, if someone wanted to adapt one of our existing fdm's >> to do automotive vehicle dynamics, that would be a cool thing. > It had occurred to me that YASim could be (ab)used to fake a c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Terragear-devel] new designed KNID airport lower than the

2007-02-01 Thread alexis bory
Martin Spott a écrit : > It should be noted that TerraGear is now capable of using shapefiles > for landcover data instead of parsing 'raw' VMap0. A set of > shapefiles is available here: > > ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TGShapes/ Hi Martin, How different is the shapefile set from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] why jittering,use external fdm

2007-02-01 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- tangyong wrote: > Hi,everybody.I use these command lines to record a flight,then I replay > it. > > Recording: fgfs --generic=file,out,20,flight.out,playback > Playback: fgfs --generic=file,in,20,flight.out,playback --fdm=external > > but when I replay the flight record,I find the aircraf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Terragear-devel] new designed KNID airport lower than the

2007-02-01 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, Martin Spott wrote: > It should be noted that TerraGear is now capable of using shapefiles > for landcover data instead of parsing 'raw' VMap0. A set of shapefiles > is available here: > > ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TGShapes/ > > I vaguely remember Ralf Gerlich doing some tut

[Flightgear-devel] why jittering,use external fdm

2007-02-01 Thread tangyong
Hi,everybody.I use these command lines to record a flight,then I replay it. Recording: fgfs --generic=file,out,20,flight.out,playback Playback: fgfs --generic=file,in,20,flight.out,playback --fdm=external but when I replay the flight record,I find the aircraft jittering,the flight is not smo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interesting 3d Model formats (was Trains?)

2007-02-01 Thread Vadym Kukhtin
2007/2/1, Curtis Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: It also occured to me that you could just about automate this process entirely ... and create your own paper 3d models from nicely done low-poly count models. Some years ago I'm often use Pepakura - it is exactly that you said. i.e. *.3ds => paper