Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual-licensing question

2011-06-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:39:20 -0700, Ryan wrote in message <1308188360.7422.1.camel@linux-toshiba-laptop>: > Stupid question about dual-licensing: Can I dual-license an aircraft > under both GPL2 and CC-BY (no -SA or -NC), and still have it placed > into fgdata? ..if you own it, you decides. Dis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dual-licensing question

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Sgier
As far as I know only the stronger matters. So it simply doesn't matter if you include another licence as the GPL always wins. As useless as copyright etc. --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Ryan M wrote: From: Ryan M Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Dual-licensing question To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, ThorstenB wrote: > absolutely unable to motivate - or at least keep people motivated on > working on our project. That's a major issue we have. Everyone who > spends time is "welcomed" by negative comments - and surprisingly many > leave. And I'm sorry to say, after reading em

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread syd adams
Interesting ideas , i personally like the fact that terrasync can be enabled from the menu since i always run it from a separate terminal anyway but did i hear the words 'add it to a launcher ??? 'shudder' ok , iv'e been a linux user too long ;) -

[Flightgear-devel] Dual-licensing question

2011-06-15 Thread Ryan M
Stupid question about dual-licensing: Can I dual-license an aircraft under both GPL2 and CC-BY (no -SA or -NC), and still have it placed into fgdata? -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread ThorstenB
On 15.06.2011 22:57, Martin Spott wrote: > By having a closer look at Thorsten's patches you'd realize that his > primary work was to turn the standalone program with hard-coded host- > and pathnames into a neatly configurable library. The interface > between this lib and FlightGear is pretty slim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vivian Meazza wrote: >> The one wrench in the works is aircraft (and their systems) that add >> entries to the GUI menu items... >> > > If you can generate a better way, or even an alternate way - I'll look at > it. Until then you're stuck with it. > I have the option of bein

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
Csaba Halász wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Martin Spott wrote: >> Csaba Halász wrote: >> >>> Finally, there could be other programs that need scenery data, would >>> you embed terrasync in each one? I view this as bad design. >> >> By having a closer look at Thorsten's patches you'd r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Gene > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vivian Meazza wrote: > > >> > > > > "This" is indeed more or less consistent with those opinions. Csaba > says: > > "For example, all the GUI stuff should be thrown out and left to a > > launcher/control console application." Gene says: "All the functionality > in >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vivian Meazza wrote: >> > > "This" is indeed more or less consistent with those opinions. Csaba says: > "For example, all the GUI stuff should be thrown out and left to a > launcher/control console application." Gene says: "All the functionality in > the GUI could be provided

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott wrote > -Original Message- > From: [mailto:martin.sp...@mgras.net] > Sent: 15 June 2011 18:36 > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in > > "Vivian Meazza" wrote: > > > This was NOT a good time to int

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Csaba Halász
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > Csaba Halász wrote: > >> Finally, there could be other programs that need scenery data, would >> you embed terrasync in each one? I view this as bad design. > > By having a closer look at Thorsten's patches you'd realize that his > primary wo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Alex, "Alex B." wrote: > Durk wrote[1]: "[...]and the files that are still called "parking" are > the ones that I still need to rename / improve / verify." There are > still files called "parking" in the base package. Indeed. FlightGear, as far as I understand, should be capable of reading bo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
Csaba Halász wrote: > Finally, there could be other programs that need scenery data, would > you embed terrasync in each one? I view this as bad design. By having a closer look at Thorsten's patches you'd realize that his primary work was to turn the standalone program with hard-coded host- and p

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
Csaba Halász wrote: > For example, if you have 2 separate scenery "consumers" it would make > sense if they both sent requests to the same terrasync instance. If > both included their own terrasync copy, who knows what confusion might > result (double download, svn lock, etc.). Nobody forces you

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Manager...

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
In thinking about it a bit and being reminded of the existing HLA interface that FlightGear has, I'm leaning toward proposing something built with Python and the PyQT4 GUI library. Both components are cross-platform and there is a Python binding for the CERTI HLA library (PyHLA). The idea her

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Csaba Halász
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > "Vivian Meazza" wrote: > >> [...] And I can't see any real advantage over Fred's implementation in >> FGRun, which I have used for years. > > Some people _do_ see a real advantage. > >> This is more or less consistent with Gene's, Csaba's and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] use-custom-scenery-data

2011-06-15 Thread Alex D-HUND
Ahoy, you'll find the verified .parking.xml files for the five said airports here: http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KHAF.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KHWD.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KOAK.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beggabaur.de/daten/KSFO.groundnet.xml http://fgfs.beg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Martin Spott wrote: > "This" is not consistent with Gene's, Csaba's and Ron's view. If you > read carefully, then you'll realize that these three guys have > primarily expressed their opinion on wether to have the GUI inside the > visual system or not. > Precisely. I was offe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
"Vivian Meazza" wrote: > This was NOT a good time to introduce a whole new idea, just before a > release. http://wiki.flightgear.org/Release_Plan#Detailed_Time_Schedule June 17th is declared as being the feature freeze day. Thus, as long as they don't commit a pile of crap to the repository, w

[Flightgear-devel] FGx for Win/Debian/OSX now

2011-06-15 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi all On http:// gitorious.org/fgx I tagged now a FGx version 2.3.0pre as a "preview" which (should) work for Debian, Windows and OSX. FGx is a small FlightGear-qt-gui-launcher project. For OSX it is a bit more (because it is a app bundle with built-in OSG libs and all FlightGear binaries).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:07:21 -0600, Ron wrote in message <201106150807.21230.w...@jentronics.com>: > On Wednesday 15 June 2011 07:36:51 Csaba Halász wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, ThorstenB wrote: > > > the final GUI bits for a new feature are now in fgdata - the last > > > feature

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred > -Original Message- > > It was not a reproach. I just committed fixes at the time I sent those > messages > > -Fred > > - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > > > Fred wrote > > Fred wrote > > > > > > > > Please pull latest SimGear > > > > > > And Flightgear too > > > > > > > Well, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Jensen
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 07:36:51 Csaba Halász wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, ThorstenB wrote: > > the final GUI bits for a new feature are now in fgdata - the last > > feature addition for the 2.4 release from my part... You can > > download/update scenery directly from FlightGear now

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
> talked to the simulator. You could run it on one machine or on a dedicated > machine. > Gah. Brain to fast for fingers! "You could run it on the SAME machine..or on a dedicated machine..." *facepalm* g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Gene Buckle
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Csaba Halász wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, ThorstenB wrote: the final GUI bits for a new feature are now in fgdata - the last feature addition for the 2.4 release from my part... You can download/update scenery directly from FlightGear now (main menu: Environmen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Csaba Halász
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM, ThorstenB wrote: > > the final GUI bits for a new feature are now in fgdata - the last > feature addition for the 2.4 release from my part... You can > download/update scenery directly from FlightGear now (main menu: > Environment => Scenery). Credit for the idea g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Frederic Bouvier
It was not a reproach. I just committed fixes at the time I sent those messages -Fred - "Vivian Meazza" a écrit : > Fred wrote > Fred wrote > > > > > Please pull latest SimGear > > > > And Flightgear too > > > > Well, I thought I had - otherwise I wouldn't have re-compiled and run > it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Spott
ThorstenB wrote: > The feature reuses the terrasync sources and relies on a subversion > client. Either using built-in subversion (when "libsvn" is installed, > which is recommended). Otherwise, fgfs tries calling an external utility > ("svn") for downloads. I'm observing one minor issue: The SVN

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: scenery download / built-in terrasync

2011-06-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Fred wrote Fred wrote > > Please pull latest SimGear > > And Flightgear too > Well, I thought I had - otherwise I wouldn't have re-compiled and run it, would I? And it does compile and run - even provides error messages. Vivian -