Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Am 27.10.2011 16:06, schrieb Melchior FRANZ: a leader is someone who*leads*. "Leadership by not leading" (and being proud of it) isn't a leadership style in my book. There are many kinds of leadership: authoritative, cooperative, relaxed, [..] The trick is to pick the best for the current s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jari Häkkinen -- Thursday 27 October 2011: > Didn't Franz Melchior loose some interest in fg due to a > "freedom" clash. I didn't lose interest in fg -- I only lost interest in developing for FlightGear after the project "leader" let one developer push the project in a very bad direction, and f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2011-10-27 14.29, Curtis Olson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:09 AM, James Turner wrote: > >> >> On 27 Oct 2011, at 12:58, Jari Häkkinen wrote: >> >>> Sorry for the rant-like appearance of this message. >> >> No need to apologise, I'd say it's 100% accurate - including the lack of a >> singl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Curtis Olson
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:09 AM, James Turner wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2011, at 12:58, Jari Häkkinen wrote: > > > Sorry for the rant-like appearance of this message. > > No need to apologise, I'd say it's 100% accurate - including the lack of a > single leader, the fact that project does 'okay' withou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread James Turner
On 27 Oct 2011, at 10:35, Heiko Schulz wrote: >> The procedure is to ask :) > > Aha, really?- in the 5-6 years I'm contributing to FlightGear-Project I did > this twice. I never got an answer. And until now I can only guess what was > the reasons for. Problem is, as you already realised - *I*

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread James Turner
On 27 Oct 2011, at 12:58, Jari Häkkinen wrote: > Sorry for the rant-like appearance of this message. No need to apologise, I'd say it's 100% accurate - including the lack of a single leader, the fact that project does 'okay' without very tight central leadership, mostly, and the attendant resp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2011-10-27 11.35, Heiko Schulz wrote: > And who makes sure and decides that those people really keeps to all those > rules? The project lead (or leader) should make decisions and of course be well in tune with the lead developers, developers, and with the fg community. As a bystander it is d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Heiko Schulz
> Hope so ;-) > > With the current setup you can for example commit (and accept merge > requests) for your EC130:https://gitorious.org/flightgear-aircraft/ec130 > > But I want to give commit rights to my wife to my repo, without asking > you, can I do that ? Why not ? What gives "the team" the righ

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 27.10.11 10:24, schrieb James Turner: > 'we' (the infamous FlightGear we) should probably write a wiki page of > aircraft-contributor-etiquette, so we have grounds to revoke people's access > if they break the rules. Though just about the only rules I'm aware of : > > keep it GPL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi Gary, > The #1 reason I haven't added my projects (MD-81, Grumman Goose, > Edgley Optica, Velocity XL RG) to the repository is that I have no > ability to perform my own commits. Which is exactly one of the things that we're working on with the FGData split:http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightG

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread Jari Häkkinen
On 2011-10-27 10.24, James Turner wrote: > Actually, that's not quite accurate, but, the procedure is to ask, > *having demonstrated yourself to be a sane and reasonable person > who's likely to stick around longer than four weeks*. I'm a bit more > liberal in this regard, but essentially anyone wh

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-27 Thread James Turner
On 27 Oct 2011, at 01:28, Gary Neely wrote: > The #1 reason I haven't added my projects (MD-81, Grumman Goose, > Edgley Optica, Velocity XL RG) to the repository is that I have no > ability to perform my own commits. Possibly I haven't earned the right > and I can understand that. But I would lik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-26 Thread Gary Neely
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM, HB-GRAL wrote: > Am 25.10.11 18:54, schrieb Gijs de Rooy: >> No matter what aircraft-split we end up with, aircraft authors will always >> be able to update their own aircraft at >> any time. > > Hope so ;-) > > With the current setup you can for example commit (a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi Gijs Am 25.10.11 18:54, schrieb Gijs de Rooy: > No matter what aircraft-split we end up with, aircraft authors will always be > able to update their own aircraft at > any time. Hope so ;-) With the current setup you can for example commit (and accept merge requests) for your EC130:https://g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 25.10.11 19:09, schrieb syd adams: > I dont personally see any advantage myself, I'd have to vote no.Sorry Yves. > > -- > The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the > demand for specialized net

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread Gijs de Rooy
> On the other side clone each of the 300+ aircraft isn't that comfortable as > well. There are various ways to tackle that problem. One could write a script to clone/pull all the aircraft with a single click, but an even nicer solution might be to use "submodules", as mentioned at the wiki (

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hello, >there was little input on the fgdata split and few people speaking up >when things were started. We do see a lot of responses now - many being >in favor of the change, but also concerns about remaining issues. >Indeed, setting up the new repo isn't as simple as it seemed initially, >and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread syd adams
I dont personally see any advantage myself, I'd have to vote no.Sorry Yves. -- The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. Ta

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi, good to see some more factual discussions. Let me emphasize that anyone is welcome to add/edit concerns/questions/answers/solution to the wiki: http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightGear_Git:_splitting_fgdata > Those who have commit rights are already busy with their own stuff. For a new > airc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hello, >IMHO that adds another not very logical layer of complication for little >>gain. There's a nice "democratic" aspect to every aircraft being in a >>single central repository, and reduced opportunities for those "clique" >type >groups that so naturally spring up and are divisive and very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-25 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:18:36 +0200 HB-GRAL wrote: > Hi Core (and the rest of the entire organism of course) > Why not splitting up the Aircraft folder into hangars as collection of > aircrafts as plug-ins, collection of big teams or small but heavy > industries ? IMHO that adds another not ver

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-24 Thread HB-GRAL
Hi Core (and the rest of the entire organism of course) Why not splitting up the Aircraft folder into hangars as collection of aircrafts as plug-ins, collection of big teams or small but heavy industries ? --- fgdata | Aircraft || |

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-20 Thread Adrian Musceac
On 10/20/11, ThorstenB wrote: > Hi FlightGear, > > there was little input on the fgdata split and few people speaking up > when things were started. We do see a lot of responses now - many being > in favor of the change, but also concerns about remaining issues. > Indeed, setting up the new repo i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-19 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:10:29 +0200 ThorstenB wrote: > We are really sorry for any inconvenience and misunderstandings this > further change may cause. But now, as we have everybody's attention on > the subject, we're looking forward to many people testing the proposed > changes. We also invite

[Flightgear-devel] fgdata: Important note

2011-10-19 Thread ThorstenB
Hi FlightGear, there was little input on the fgdata split and few people speaking up when things were started. We do see a lot of responses now - many being in favor of the change, but also concerns about remaining issues. Indeed, setting up the new repo isn't as simple as it seemed initially,