The next big thing probably won't be some version of Minecraft, even if
Minecraft is really awesome. OTOH, you and your kids can prove me wrong
today with Minecraft Raspberry Pi Edition, which is free, and comes with
_source code_.
http://mojang.com/2013/02/minecraft-pi-edition-is-available-for-do
There is more to the DIS (Distributed *Interactive* Simulation) than I
originally thought. I found this in the X3D standard:
http://www.web3d.org/files/specifications/19775-1/V3.3/Part01/components/dis.html
if
one can set up isNetworkWriter, it would seem like anything on the network
would be writ
That's a good name for a programming language!
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:20 AM, David Pennell wrote:
> Malboge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge) was featured on an
> episode of Elementary. It's named after the eighth circle of hell in
> Dante's Inferno.
>
> Malbolge was so difficult to und
Ah, I thought DIS only sent id, position, orientation, velocity and
acceleration. Do objects own their properties, or can anyone on the
network provide them?
I've heard of people mixing X3D with DIS. I thought that X3D provided all
the modelling and visualization, and DIS provided the above. X3
John Carlson wrote:
Miles wrote:
> There's a pretty good argument to be made that what "works" are
powerful building blocks that can be combined in lots of different ways;
So the next big thing will be some version of minecraft? Or perhaps
the older toontalk? Agentcubes? What is the right
My suggestion is to learn a little about biology and anthropology and media as
it intertwines with human thought, then check back in.
>
> From: Miles Fidelman
>To: Fundamentals of New Computing
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] D
On Feb 13, 2013 7:57 PM, "Miles Fidelman"
wrote:
> Ahh... but my argument is that the architecture of the current web is
SIMPLER than earlier concepts but has proven more powerful (or at least
more effective).
If you believe that, I've got a perl script I want to sell you. Nothing
prevents com
Hi Alan
First, my email was not about Ted Nelson, Doug Engelbart or what
massively distributed media should be like. It was strictly about
architectures that allow a much wider range of possibilities.
Ahh... but my argument is that the architecture of the current web is
SIMPLER than earlier
Miles wrote:
> There's a pretty good argument to be made that what "works" are powerful
building blocks that can be combined in lots of different ways;
So the next big thing will be some version of minecraft? Or perhaps the
older toontalk? Agentcubes? What is the right 3D metaphor? Does anyone
Hi Miles
First, my email was not about Ted Nelson, Doug Engelbart or what massively
distributed media should be like. It was strictly about architectures that
allow a much wider range of possibilities.
Second, can you see that your argument really doesn't hold? This is because it
even more jus
Alan Kay wrote:
Or you could look at the actual problem "a web" has to solve, which is
to present arbitrary information to a user that comes from any of
several billion sources. Looked at from this perspective we can see
that the current web design could hardly be more wrong headed. For
exam
Hi Barry
I like your characterization, and do think the next level also will require a
qualitatively different approach
Cheers,
Alan
>
> From: Barry Jay
>To: fonc@vpri.org
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: "Object
Ah. You try to achieve a purely numeric result. Don't forget qualitative
data and normative thinking. Perhaps by meaning you mean qualitative
data. Normative thinking should control reason. That is, we shouldn't be
experimenting with destructive things.
Perhaps experimenting with meaning is t
>From my last trip to the SPLASH conference a few years ago, I've been
contemplating a lot of these ideas. Especially the messaging paradigm and
the current conundrum with concurrency and scaling.
A common theme (brought up by Ivan Sutherland paraphrased here) is that in
the past processing was exp
Hi John,
In the scientific tradition, experiments produce cold facts, while
reason chooses the experiments, and uses them to test hypotheses, i.e.
to extract meaning, so perhaps "experimenting for meaning" or
"experimenting to recover, or discover, meaning" is closer to what I had
in mind.
On
If doing experiment means experimenting with meaning, I agree.
On Feb 13, 2013 3:17 PM, "Barry Jay" wrote:
> **
> Hi Alan,
>
> the phrase I picked up on was "doing experiments". One way to think of the
> problem is that we are trying to automate the scientific process, which is
> a blend of reaso
Hi Alan,
the phrase I picked up on was "doing experiments". One way to think of
the problem is that we are trying to automate the scientific process,
which is a blend of reasoning and experiments. Most of us focus on one
or the other, as in deductive AI versus databases of common knowledge,
bu
I was imagining QuickCheck properties instead of unit tests...
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
> Unit tests are just a small part of the kinds of description that could be
> used and are needed.
>
>
> From: David Harris
> To: Alan Kay ; Fundamen
I've done some postscript programming. I guess I see the shading languages
more a successor to postscript than any revival of display postscript and
its onerous licensing. People are already trying to put javascript into
the gpu. I haven't seen nile, but I assume that it works with gpus. What
I
Or the (earlier) Smalltalk Models Views Controllers mechanism which had a
dynamic language with dynamic graphics to allow quite a bit of flexibility with
arbitrary "models".
>
> From: David Harris
>To: Alan Kay ; Fundamentals of New Computing
>
>Sent: Wednes
Alan --
Yes, we seem to slowly getting back the the NeWS (Network extensible
Windowing System) paradigm which used a modified Display Postscript to
allow the intelligence, including user input, to live in the terminal (as
opposed to the X-Windows model). But I am sure I am teaching my
grandmother
Unit tests are just a small part of the kinds of description that could be used
and are needed.
>
> From: David Harris
>To: Alan Kay ; Fundamentals of New Computing
>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] Terminology: "Object Orient
This sounds suspiciously like Unit Testing, which is basically "When I say
this, you should answer that."Thos are precomputed answers, but could
be computed I suppose -- so a bit like your Postscript example ... you send
the Testing-Agent down the pipe.
David
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:26 AM,
Hi John
Or you could look at the actual problem "a web" has to solve, which is to
present arbitrary information to a user that comes from any of several billion
sources. Looked at from this perspective we can see that the current web design
could hardly be more wrong headed. For example, what i
Hi Thiago
I think you are on a good path.
One way to think about this problem is that the broker is a human programmer
who has received a module from half way around the world that claims to provide
important services. The programmer would confine it in an address space and
start doing experim
One of the original reasons for "message-based" was the simple relativistic
one. What we decided is that trying to send messages to explicit receivers had
real scaling problems, whereas "receiving messages" is a good idea.
Cheers,
Alan
>
> From: Eugen Leitl
>
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Jeff Gonis wrote:
> I see no one has taken Alan's bait and asked the million dollar question:
> if you decided that messaging is no longer the right path for scaling, what
> approach are you currently using?
Classical computation doesn't allow storing mult
Malboge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge) was featured on an episode
of Elementary. It's named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's
Inferno.
Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two
> years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The first Malbolge pr
Well, for evocative names, there's always Brainfuck
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck) - which is a real language,
with derivatives even. And the name is truly accurate. :-)
John Carlson wrote:
Ah first time I came across a language with such an evocative name.
Since I am too paranoi
Hello,
as I was thinking over these problems today, here are some initial thoughts,
just to get the conversation going...
The first time I read about the Method Finder and Ted's memo, I tried to grasp
the broader issue, and I'm still thinking of some interesting examples to
explore.
I can see t
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