Re: another nose for the grindstone

2005-01-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hi Mark We'd love to have you with us. On 17.01.2005 05:18:23 Mark Brucks wrote: I'd like to join the fop development group. I've been an xsl/fop user for the last year or so (generating PDF), but several new projects I'm proposing have a need for a robust and complete awt renderer, and

Re: marketing Defoe (was: another nose for the grindstone)

2005-01-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Peter, it's ok if you make other people aware of your project but the way you did that in your last post disturbs me. We know that you disagree with FOP's approach, but I would have preferred a more constructive form of making Mark aware of Defoe. Maybe I'm overreacting... On 17.01.2005 06:01:27

block-container improved

2005-01-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I've just checked in a bunch of changes for block-containers complete with test cases. I'd appreciate if someone could run these tests and check if I'm interpreting correctly. The whole start-indent inheritance thing is quite interesting as it produces strange effects from a stylesheet

Re: marketing Defoe

2005-01-17 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias, Do you disagree with the assessment? Clearly people might, but I didn't say anything I don't believe is the truth about the state of FOP. If it is true, isn't it fair to let newcomers know the state of play? Finn has already talked about a radically different approach in order to

Re: marketing Defoe

2005-01-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Peter, this is not about the question whether I disagree with the assessment. You might be right, you might be wrong. I can't tell, yet, because I'm still working my way into the new layout engine. My reaction was triggered by the way you said these things, not by any technical statement. But as

Re: marketing Defoe

2005-01-17 Thread The Web Maestro
Peter, FWIW, I was shocked by the tone of your statement as well. Not so much by any misleading or such. Rather, it was more in the way that I'm shocked by the manner that, in the US companies can discuss differences with other products in their advertisements. Had you also 'advertised' FOray

Re: marketing Defoe

2005-01-17 Thread Glen Mazza
(Don't let Peter rattle you, Jeremias--he's just jealous that I've found more XSL spec bugs than him. ;) Our delays are mostly related to advanced issues concerning layout, and the type of parser used doesn't have much effect on this issue. So I don't share Peter's conviction that FOP is in

Re: marketing Defoe

2005-01-17 Thread Peter B. West
Glen Mazza wrote: (Don't let Peter rattle you, Jeremias--he's just jealous that I've found more XSL spec bugs than him. ;) You have a lead I am unlikely to overhaul. Our delays are mostly related to advanced issues concerning layout, and the type of parser used doesn't have much effect on this

Stability Question

2005-01-17 Thread Charles Griswold
I've considering embedding FOP is a product I'm developing. How stable and complete is the puppy? -- Charles H. Griswold III Managing Partner LogixPartners, Inc.

Re: Stability Question

2005-01-17 Thread The Web Maestro
Charles, I believe this is more a question for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe), but... On Jan 17, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Charles Griswold wrote: I've considering embedding FOP is a product I'm developing. How stable and complete is the puppy? One of my clients found it stable

Another Future User Reporting In

2005-01-17 Thread Paul Hill
Web Maestro Clay, You can add my name to the list of people who intend to use FOP as part of a larger product/service... FOP has a perfectly positioned functionally to meet the needs of may application developers We are very interested in you perception of where the project is currently.

Re: Another Future User Reporting In

2005-01-17 Thread The Web Maestro
On Jan 17, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Paul Hill wrote: Web Maestro Clay, You can add my name to the list of people who intend to use FOP as part of a larger product/service... FOP has a perfectly positioned functionally to meet the needs of may application developers We are very interested in you

Re: Stability Question

2005-01-17 Thread Manuel Mall
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:38, The Web Maestro wrote: Charles, I believe this is more a question for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe), but... On Jan 17, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Charles Griswold wrote: I've considering embedding FOP is a product I'm developing. How stable and

RE: FOP code in FOray [WAS: Preview for a general XSL-FO processing API]

2005-01-17 Thread Victor Mote
Victor Mote wrote (on November 28, 2004): The code in the fop-maint branch is code that has not yet been peeled off into a FOray module. All of it eventually will be. The case of the app module, which will eventually contain the API that you are looking for is in an especially bad state

Re: Another Future User Reporting In

2005-01-17 Thread Paul Hill
I have been on the e-mail list since June 2004 Its been an interesting project to track. Paul - The Web Maestro wrote: On Jan 17, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Paul Hill wrote: Web Maestro Clay, You can add my name to the list of people who intend to use FOP as part of a

Re: cvs commit: xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr BlockLayoutManager.java

2005-01-17 Thread Glen Mazza
Yes, I think that's my fault. I believe that was related to the space-before and space-after properties which I was trying (unsuccessfully) to fix. This is a very complex portion of the code. Glen --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jeremias2005/01/17 10:59:50 Modified:

Re: cvs commit: xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr BlockLayoutManager.java

2005-01-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
No problem. I stumbled upon it when I realized that I wasn't handling space-before|after correctly in in-flow block-containers. I'll see if I can do something about it. On 17.01.2005 20:17:35 Glen Mazza wrote: Yes, I think that's my fault. I believe that was related to the space-before and

Re: commit to fop

2005-01-17 Thread Simon Pepping
Hi Renaud, On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:46:10PM +0100, Renaud Richardet wrote: *** documentation *** please could you tell me about the state of the following documentations: - xml.apache.org/fop/dev: this documentation refers to 0.20, right? dev/implement.html is a short writeup of the then