Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Dupont
Hello, >From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint. People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to do that. We don't want to have import

Re: [Foundation-l] privacy and usability of user talk pages (inc. LiquidThreads)

2010-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > This is obvious to someone who has been using Wikipedia for some time, > but not so for newbies. I propose changing the "new messages" notice > to something like: "You have new messages on your public talk page > (last change)." I think this is obvious to most people. Perh

[Foundation-l] privacy and usability of user talk pages (inc. LiquidThreads)

2010-10-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
In the five or so years that i spent on Wikipedia it never bothered me and i never heard complaints about it until today, but come to think of it, there is something odd in the way users are notified about new messages on their user talk pages. The famous orange message in English says: "You have

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-19 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
Brigitte, I agree with you. You raised some very good points. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado At 03:47 20-10-2010, you wrote: > From: Austin >Hair To: Wikimedia Foundation >Mailing List >Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:35:07 PM Subject: >Re: [Foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> A longer piece about this: > > http://www.mn.ru/society/20101019/188137566.html > > -- > John Vandenberg And it contains the conflation of Wikipedia with WikiLeaks, to boot. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@l

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread John Vandenberg
A longer piece about this: http://www.mn.ru/society/20101019/188137566.html -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-19 Thread Birgitte SB
From: Austin Hair To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:35:07 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote: > If it pleases the moderators, might we know on what basis

[Foundation-l] Mike Godwin leaving the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-10-19 Thread MZMcBride
Sue Gardner wrote: > Is Mike leaving the Wikimedia Foundation because he did something egregious? > > Not at all. The Wikimedia Foundation believes Mike has always acted in > what he believes to be the Wikimedia Foundation's best interests. This is an odd answer. MZMcBride ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> Given that the person making these > criticisms is aware of this distinction (I could be wrong. Perhaps his > whole argument premises on the point that the WMF should be a content > provider, rather than a host), his continual attacks on the content don't > appear to consistent and give the appe

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> Nice summary/overview... > >> 10% news/events/media coverage >> 10% pointless digressions >> 10% snarky comments >> 10% trolling >> 10% uncritical discussion of WMF >> 50% sharp criticism > > I wonder what percentage of the sharp criticism gets dealt with? > Would it make sense to keep track of t

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Joe Corneli
Nice summary/overview... > 10% news/events/media coverage > 10% pointless digressions > 10% snarky comments > 10% trolling > 10% uncritical discussion of WMF > 50% sharp criticism I wonder what percentage of the sharp criticism gets dealt with? Would it make sense to keep track of that statistic?

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Laura Hale
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > > Just to point out...saying "it's a content issue, not a Foundation issue" > > means absolutely *nothing* to the vast majority of people out there. > > > > -Chad > > Yes, definitely Inside Baseball: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_bas

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari > wrote: >> And that's just one of many sections erroneously blaming the WMF for >> content issues. For example, "A WikiProject of topic lists has existed >> since November 2007, but it is still half unfinished" and "the 100 >> articles about the hun

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Chad
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > And that's just one of many sections erroneously blaming the WMF for > content issues. For example, "A WikiProject of topic lists has existed > since November 2007, but it is still half unfinished" and "the 100 > articles about the hundred Uni

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Ryan Kaldari
That page is so full of misinformation, it hardly warrants commentary, but just to point out some more annoying examples: The part about how "Your non-profit donation will ultimately line the for-profit pockets of Jimmy Wales, Amazon, Google" is absurd and very misleading. Sure, Wikipedia exter

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Michael Peel
On 19 Oct 2010, at 19:06, Mike Dupont wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Peel wrote: >> >> On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: >> I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, as illustrated at http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_R

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Mike Godwin leaves the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-10-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is always sad to learn that someone who is appreciated as much as Mike is, is leaving. I hope he will be happy in his future activities. I want to thank Mike for the work that he has done. My contacts with Mike have always been positive so I feel it as a loss. Thanks, Gerard On 19

Re: [Foundation-l] Another machine-assisted translation tool

2010-10-19 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/10/19 James Alexander : > The blog post from Danese talks about it launchign a Mediawiki extension > project, I'm not sure what the time table is on that however. They've committed code for an extension: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/WikiBhasha/ I haven't tested

Re: [Foundation-l] Another machine-assisted translation tool

2010-10-19 Thread James Alexander
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > It could be added as a Mediawiki extension. Not sure if anyone is > thinking about that. > > Fred > > The blog post from Danese talks about it launchign a Mediawiki extension project, I'm not sure what the time table is on that however. Jam

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Dupont
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > > On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: > >>> I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, >>> as illustrated at >>> http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia >>> against Wikipedia.

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Michael Peel
On 19 Oct 2010, at 18:44, Mike Dupont wrote: >> I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, >> as illustrated at >> http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia >> against Wikipedia. > > Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please sh

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Mike Dupont
> I don't think we gain anything by providing a platform for Kohs campaign, > as illustrated at > http://www.mywikibiz.com/Top_10_Reasons_Not_to_Donate_to_Wikipedia > against Wikipedia. Wow, this is very well written and interesting! please share more such information. ___

[Foundation-l] Test posting

2010-10-19 Thread Peter Damian
Just a test. It seems I have been put on moderation simply for making the earlier posts about plagiarism on Wikipedia. Free culture! - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:17 PM Subject: Your message to foundation-l awaits moderator approval > Your mail to

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-19 Thread Austin Hair
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote: > If it pleases the moderators, might we know on what basis Greg was > banned and Peter indefinitely muzzled? Greg Kohs was banned for the same reason that he's been on moderation for the better part of the past year—namely, that he was completely un

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Chad
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I don't think we're in danger of outlawing sharp criticism on > Foundation-l. If I had to give a guesstimate of the content breakdown of > Foundation-l traffic, it would look something like: > > 10% news/events/media coverage > 10% pointless d

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
On reflection, I guess I (I, not the Foundation), envision our public mailing lists as being for all who are involved and interested, casually or intensely, as well as for observers are simply monitoring our on-going discussions, and who may, from time to time, wish to comment or initiate topics.

Re: [Foundation-l] Free culture?

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> This isn't why Peter was moderated, is it? > > Frank > The folks who control the list: foundation-l list run by adhair at gmail.com, wiki.ral315 at gmail.com, alexandrdmitriromanov at gmail.com didn't say much. Kohs has a big anti campaign in progress, but all I can find about Peter Damain is b

Re: [Foundation-l] Another machine-assisted translation tool

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
> This time from Microsoft Research: > > http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/10/18/wikibhasha/ > > Has anyone used this one? How is it? > > Did Google ever commit to releasing the translation pairs? If so, we > should certainly ask Microsoft for the same. > > > - d. I'm trying to make it work as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Another machine-assisted translation tool

2010-10-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello David, See my experiences in http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ I do not recall exactly how the GoogleTK worked, but it is more or less the same. Kind regards Ziko 2010/10/18 David Gerard : > This time from Microsoft Research: > > http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/10/18/wikibhasha/ > > Has

[Foundation-l] Movement roles update and meeting on 21 October

2010-10-19 Thread Austin Hair
At its meeting on 9 October, the Movement Roles working group presented an update on its current work and an outline for the coming year. Thanks to everybody who participated in the preparation of the proposal. The Board approved the direction of the group, and encouraged all interested parties, pa

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 10/19/2010 02:24 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%81%D

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Fred Bauder
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
John Vandenberg, 19/10/2010 12:43: > And there is still a lot of discussion on the Russian Wikisource village pump. > > http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Викитека:Форум > > They have created a template to put on works that are on the Russian > Federal List of Extremist Materials. > > http://ru.wikis

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread John Vandenberg
2010/10/19 Виктория : > Stanislav Kozlovskiy is a vice-president of Wikimedia Russia. >> >> It is still not clear whether this is hoax or somebody really filed a >> lawsuit. >> >> Cheers >> Yaroslav >> >> > As I understand it he didn't file the lawsuit, he just complained to the > police. The polic

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Виктория
Stanislav Kozlovskiy is a vice-president of Wikimedia Russia. > > It is still not clear whether this is hoax or somebody really filed a > lawsuit. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > As I understand it he didn't file the lawsuit, he just complained to the police. The police was obliged to tick the box contac

[Foundation-l] Another machine-assisted translation tool

2010-10-19 Thread David Gerard
This time from Microsoft Research: http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/10/18/wikibhasha/ Has anyone used this one? How is it? Did Google ever commit to releasing the translation pairs? If so, we should certainly ask Microsoft for the same. - d. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Russian police probe Wikipedia for extremism

2010-10-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> AFAIK, president of Wikimedia Russia is Vladimir Medeyko, not > Stanislav Kozlovskiy. And "wikipedia.ru" seems to be squatted. > > I have to admit that cyber-squatters have become more inventive. They > are making NPOs for squatting domains of other NPOs. > Stanislav Kozlovskiy is a vice-pre

[Foundation-l] Chapters and more

2010-10-19 Thread Joan Goma
I would like to raise your attention on a topic related to movement roles. It seems that activities of movement roles working group has not raised high interest at meta probably because it is a one year term job. One week ago I wrote a list of comments and proposals at talk page: http://me