Re: [Foundation-l] Very sad news

2011-09-08 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
On 08/09/11 01:52, emijrp wrote: Michael S. Hart has died http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart To save time to some other peoples: Michael S. Hart is the founder of Project Gutenberg. A project to makes public domain books available in electronic format. Bio on wikipedia:

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011-09-08 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
On 08/09/11 03:14, John Vandenberg wrote: Are there are pages on English Wikipedia that should be classified as PG? PG rating is a point of view. It breaches our constitution to remains neutral :-) -- Ashar Voultoiz ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Risker
On 8 September 2011 01:57, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2011 17:32, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Every version of Mozilla has included the Dont load images option. And it is simple to

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Béria Lima
*Objecting to this isn't a question of being prudish or of censorship, or of being anti-wiki. But if we want to attract (...) women editors, editors from outside the majority cultures on Wikipedia (...) this kind of thing is obviously very off-putting. So we risk limiting our reach by not

[Foundation-l] Want to Help Newbie Editor Students of the India Education Program?: Inviting Online Ambassadors!

2011-09-08 Thread Nitika Tandon
Greetings, I am Nitika working for the Wikipedia India Education Program. As some of you may know, as a part of the program we are working with teachers and students to encourage Wikipedia in the classroom. The basic idea is that teachers ask their students to edit Wikipedia articles instead of

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Summary of findings from WMF Summer of Research program now available

2011-09-08 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:45:41 -0700, R.Stuart Geiger sgei...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the interest, John! I put the list of the top 250 up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Most_wanted_articles -- but I didn't exactly publicize it. I guess this is my chance to do so now! Also, a

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011-09-08 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I remember once at the local college library, Adams State, in Alamosa, that they had Girl on a Swing in the children's collection. At my secondary school library (er, I think that's 'high school' for the US equivalent)

[Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
I just read the list of comments and i have quite some questions and answers: 1. Is Wikipedia comparable to library? It is right to say that we create the content on our own. But is this really true in the first meaning? We don't invent/introduce facts, we collect and display them. We don't

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011-09-08 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:24:27PM +1000, John Vandenberg wrote: Hi Kim, I think you might be more interested in looking at the same question from another perspective. Oh, right, sorry. I knew it was a bad idea to post at 5:00 AM. ^^;; If Wikipedia is a quality encyclopedia, most rating

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

2011-09-08 Thread Itzik Edri
JFI... I Just finish upload about 15 videos you our channel on youtube. the editor is working on the rest of them, and we uploading them (again, very heavy files..). As I said, I hope that until of the month we will finish edit, upload, and tag them.. http://www.youtube.com/WikimediaIL Itzik

[Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Pharos
I thought folks might be interested in this, which was created by Moving Brands as a hypothetical project for rebnranding Wikimedia, and published in Viewpoint Magazine in the UK: http://www.movingbrands.com/?category_name=wikipedia-work Note the very elaborate work on this, and the particular

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread dex2000
--- On Wed, 7/9/11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The closest we could come to a neutral filtering system is an easily accessible on/off switch for images. On Thursdy, 08. sep 2011 07:56 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com [mailto:jayen...@yahoo.com] wrote: Actually, that is

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Wow. looks really interesting Pharos. It seems they incorporated a lot of the project philosophy in the re-branding. Also, I don't know if the UI they have on the Macbook is part of it or not, but it all looks great. Theo On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
This proposal was around for a long time inside the discussion pages of the referendum itself. It would have many positive arguments: * Truly neutral * Easy to implement * No time spend (lost) on sorting images * No editwars about categorization I would support this solution. But I'm strongly

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Does rebranding change anything then the name or appearance? Or better asked: Does it help to solve any of our real problems? I might compare this to throwing cat's around. A rather useless feature, since anyone knows how to edit and a personal message worth 100% more then a template.

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread dex2000
and: *the only solution to give parents a real possibility to protect their kids against images on Wikipedia, which they consider inappropriate for them. Sir48/Thyge - Original meddelelse - Fra: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Til: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Chris Keating
Does rebranding change anything then the name or appearance? Or better asked: Does it help to solve any of our real problems? I might compare this to throwing cat's around. A rather useless feature, since anyone knows how to edit and a personal message worth 100% more then a template.

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
No, that wouldn't/shouldn't still be possible. Any image can be made visible while the parents are away for some minutes. But as usual: No filter can replace the guidance trough parents. It's a parents job to explain their own kids how the world works. Tobias Oelgarte Am 08.09.2011 16:54,

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 08.09.2011 16:59, schrieb Chris Keating: Does rebranding change anything then the name or appearance? Or better asked: Does it help to solve any of our real problems? I might compare this to throwing cat's around. A rather useless feature, since anyone knows how to edit and a personal

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Thomas Morton
However, I thought the logo that the agency came up with sucked. :-) Agree; although it did look good on the mobile browser mockup IMO. Tom ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread dex2000
That's a property of any filter. But other filters may not fulfil the requirement for protecting against accidential display of images. Sir48/Thyge - Original meddelelse - Fra: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Til: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Dato: Tor, 08. sep

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Usually you will find rebranding as part to improve your already destroyed image. If your image is good, your won't create a new brand and start from the beginning. Is our image so bad that we would need a

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] Summary of findings from WMF Summer of Research program now available

2011-09-08 Thread M. Williamson
I would be interested to know what the most wanted pages would be if all links from templates were excluded. If I introduce a redlink into a template that's transcluded on 2000 pages, it immediately becomes a most wanted article. I'd also be very interested in seeing this data for other

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-08 Thread Lodewijk
(as a side-respons: besides being quite rude of making your point this way; it is nonsensical, because in this case it is the broadcaster (you) who decides what to leave out, and not the receiver (me). Showing everything or showing only the parts people want to see have just as much chance for

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
That is true. But we should represent it as an child protection feature. It alone can't do the job. But it could help parents with children playing in the background and users that wan't to read about controversial content in public. One of the typical, frequently made requests, if i remember

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Oops. I meant, we should _not_ represent it as an child protection feature. Am 08.09.2011 17:21, schrieb Tobias Oelgarte: That is true. But we should represent it as an child protection feature. It alone can't do the job. But it could help parents with children playing in the background and

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 08.09.2011 17:12, schrieb Ilario Valdelli: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Usually you will find rebranding as part to improve your already destroyed image. If your image is good, your won't create a new brand and start from the

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Does rebranding change anything then the name or appearance? Or better asked: Does it help to solve any of our real problems? It might be useful in reducing confusion - when saying that one is on the board

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Orionist
The brand analysis is very accurate, and I agree with most of it. Except for the weak brand part: we have a rather unbalanced brand power, where Wikipedia has a strong, widely recognizable brand, while the sister projects and the foundation don't. The end result however is not good. The way it's

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Orionist orion@gmail.com wrote: The brand analysis is very accurate, and I agree with most of it. Except for the weak brand part: we have a rather unbalanced brand power, where Wikipedia has a strong, widely recognizable brand, while the sister projects

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Fajro
You can't rebrand what never was properly branded. Let me say it again: Wikimedia is a Great Brand, the problem is that it was never promoted properly. In fact, the brand / logo is hidden at the bottom of the footer in every page! I'm still waiting for your feedback in my ideas for the

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-08 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 05:20:40PM +0200, Lodewijk wrote: (as a side-respons: besides being quite rude of making your point this way; Interesting; it's actually a fairly common depiction, eg. : http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JN5JdlnKd7g/Sp-5xSd6pKI/AUI/bXiSz5mhgao/s400/censorship.JPG

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

2011-09-08 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 04:40:13PM +0300, Itzik Edri wrote: JFI... I Just finish upload about 15 videos you our channel on youtube. the editor is working on the rest of them, and we uploading them (again, very heavy files..). As I said, I hope that until of the month we will finish edit,

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The site offers a brilliantly simple user experience, has clear strategic goals and is driven by the objectives laid out in its Five Pillars. However, Forget about the Five Pillars. Originally they were three essential characteristics of the Wikipedia project. They grew to six later. In

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Fajro
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, you can make Wikimedia as famous as Wikipedia, but it will cost you many millions of dollars. And why should you? I doubt that the redesign I propose would be so expensive. I'm basically asking to put the logo

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread FT2
Predictable result - half the world gains the impression that Wikipedia has been bought out / sold out. FT2 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, you can make Wikimedia as famous as

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Fred Bauder
2011/9/8 Fajro fai...@gmail.com: Wikimedia is a Great Brand, the problem is that it was never promoted properly. In fact, the brand / logo is hidden at the bottom of the footer in every page! Hello, you can make Wikimedia as famous as Wikipedia, but it will cost you many millions of

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Thomas Morton
On 8 September 2011 21:22, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: 2011/9/8 Fajro fai...@gmail.com: Wikimedia is a Great Brand, the problem is that it was never promoted properly. In fact, the brand / logo is hidden at the bottom of the footer in every page! Hello, you can make

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread FT2
A more plausible option is to make WMF more conspicuous. Right now it's almost unknown that WP is part of a wider project. Wikipedia | Wikiquote | Wikispecies | ... An educational website of the Wikimedia Foundation [Button: View all our projects in your language] FT2 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:39 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: A more plausible option is to make WMF more conspicuous. Right now it's almost unknown that WP is part of a wider project. Wikipedia | Wikiquote | Wikispecies | ... An educational website of the Wikimedia Foundation That is

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Thanks Geoff. One point that I would like some clarification on- - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited. Novel for us, the agreement also raises the possibility of a global ban for

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Nathan
The previous terms contained essentially no behavioral prohibitions. I'm not sure if this was out of concern for Section 230 status, the independence of projects wrt policy making, or some other reason, but this new set of terms is a huge departure. It prohibits a broad range of unwanted activity,

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Geoff Brigham
Hi, In the legal department at the Wikimedia Foundation, we have been examining for some time whether, as the 5th largest website in the world, we need a new terms of use agreement. Given our size and the need to ensure good communication with our users, I think we do, so we’ve put ourselves to

Re: [Foundation-l] Sending announcements to this list

2011-09-08 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 August 2011 01:24, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Hi all, Just to check: I've been assuming of late that everyone that's interested in reading announcements (including things like chapter reports,

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Aaron Adrignola
It's also not difficult to add links to sister projects in the sidebar, as seen at en.wikibooks since February 2011 [1]. And I know some other projects do similar things as well, some with JavaScript. The only difficulty encountered at en.wikibooks is not knowing how to push the print/export box

[Foundation-l] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Geoff Brigham
Nathan, Theo, You guys raise good questions (as always). Short answer is that hosting liability is not compromised, and I think Steven responded to the harassment policy inquiry. That said, may I suggest that you put your points on the discussion page as you see them, and we will answer more

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:    - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited.     Novel for us, the agreement also raises the possibility of a global ban for  

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:48, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:    - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited.     Novel for

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Kudu
That'll be more than $10 at ~$200/hour. :P ~K On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:14 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:48, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: - Harassment, threats,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 02:14, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:48, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 00:18, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:    - Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: The

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Sue Gardner
On 8 September 2011 17:28, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As I am speaking as a steward, I have to say that it's very good news for us. Instead of being harassed because not dealing with harassment, since the implementation of ToS that would be WMF's job. That's really good news for

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use forReview

2011-09-08 Thread Phil Nash
Sue Gardner wrote: On 8 September 2011 17:28, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As I am speaking as a steward, I have to say that it's very good news for us. Instead of being harassed because not dealing with harassment, since the implementation of ToS that would be WMF's job. That's

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use forReview

2011-09-08 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Global bans are already available; but disruptive editors on one Wiki within the WM umbrella have gone on to be constructive editors elsewhere. I seem to remember Jimbo preaching forgiveness, and I see this proposal,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use forReview

2011-09-08 Thread Sue Gardner
On 8 September 2011 19:01, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: There's a major difference between online harassment, and robust debate, although most of us can tell where we draw our own lines. Oh yikes, Phil, please don't misunderstand me! The conversations we were having were about one

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

2011-09-08 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Does your feminism excludes necessity for sexual education? No, but, I can send you some pictures on Commons that have been speedy