Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-28 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/28/2010 8:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, nawr...@gmail.com writes: There's a joke in here somewhere, maybe about applying en.wp talkpage style argumentation to real life, but maybe we can just call this a dead issue and move on rather than argue in circles forever with

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-28 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/28/2010 9:06:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: The policy is very explicit. It says that logs may be kept. If you know anything about operational requirements, you will understand that that means that logs are not routinely kept, but may be

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

2010-11-27 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/27/2010 7:05:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: Nothing in their experience base can be used unless it's already in print somewhere ... so how is their experience useful? I'm not calling into question the [[citation needed]] policy, but instead

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

2010-11-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/25/2010 9:14:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, wing.phil...@gmx.de writes: I think it is very important for us to understand the difficulties academics face if they want to join the Wikimedian community. And maybe we should rethink about our strategy and approach on

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

2010-11-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/25/2010 10:57:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, jayen...@yahoo.com writes: It's a headache for the copyright team on en:WP because they have to figure out which came first. First there should be a presumption that established editors (I've been in-project for seven

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

2010-11-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/25/2010 3:31:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: On 25 November 2010 22:15, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: We have Geni, many ways to determine if someone is an established editor. Name one that doesn't boil down to editcountitis We have flags

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Wikidata

2010-11-24 Thread WJhonson
Would this project answer the question I am trying to address today? Which American actors died in 1970? There does not appear to me, to be any obvious way of using the built-in search engine to answer this question. Searching for Actor 1970 generates a lot of false positives, an overwhelming

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Wikidata

2010-11-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/24/2010 3:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, michaeldavi...@comcast.net writes: Could it de done with a Category: 1970 Deaths - Actors, or some such thing? Marc Evidently the phrase Category: 1970 Deaths is not indexed. Try it, and see if you get anything. I got

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Wikidata

2010-11-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/24/2010 3:56:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, phn...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: Try http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php plug in values en, Deaths in 1970 and American Actors. Articles that are under American Actors and under Deaths in 1970:

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Wikidata

2010-11-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/24/2010 4:11:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, michaeldavi...@comcast.net writes: I just pulled up the Articles on two actors who I know died in 1970. One was in the Category English Film Actors and the other in American Film Actors. The category intersect PHP is very

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/22/2010 10:33:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, rkald...@wikimedia.org writes: * I believe Salary and other compensation includes payment to contractors, of which we currently have about 20-30 (which aren't counted as employees). Why so many, and contractors generally

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/22/2010 2:10:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, wikipe...@frontier.com writes: They aren't - as a member of the audit committee, I have full confidence that the Wikimedia Foundation's tax reports are using the appropriate categories for expenses. So auditing is now

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-19 Thread WJhonson
Salaries and wages accounted for 3.5 million in the last fiscal year http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/c/cc/FINAL_09_10From_KPMG.p df ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

2010-11-19 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/19/2010 4:17:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, swatjes...@gmail.com writes: http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Form 990 for the past fiscal year is not posted there. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-18 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, mill...@gmail.com writes: As it is pointed to me privately, I have one corrections and one clarifications: * First, my impression wasn't that Obama was raised inside of the African American culture (first meaning). However, it

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-18 Thread WJhonson
And my Knols are also not read in Africa evidence http://statcounter.com/project/standard/visitor_map.php?project_id=4543053 Although there is apparently one person in Pakistan who is interested. The point of this message is that the reach in Africa doesn't seem limited to a Wikipedia issue.

[Foundation-l] WikiMedia Technical Help Desk

2010-11-18 Thread WJhonson
Is there a technical help forum (peer to peer) for the Wikimedia software? I find myself spending a few hours of digging through PHP code to try to make a small extension / correction. And also at times, I make what I think is a brilliant change and would like to share it with other

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence of his en.wiki article. It

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/13/2010 6:44:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: And if you can find some other publishing entity (printing, DVDs, etc.) that could be used interchangeably for the PediaPress button, and this entity is denied a button next to the PediaPress

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/13/2010 11:08:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: 1. Given the limited of number services (one, plus Robert's which I missed in the thread, if it still exists), it probably seemed pointless 2. Any service would have to develop the

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-12 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:13:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: I agree with everything except whether or not they are in line with our basic values. They may not align with Wikipedia's values, but as a separate project they dont need to be; instead they need to fit

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-12 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now. We can easily spare $2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the next three months, which should give them sufficient time to get

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/10/2010 10:32:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, sgard...@wikimedia.org writes: (Donors often send us stories like that, and I am often looking for stories to tell people about the projects. So I've asked her to send good ones to me.) I would be interested in seeing

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/11/2010 6:23:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, z...@mzmcbride.com writes: I think focusing energy and efforts on creating print versions of Wikipedia articles is antithetical to the idea of creating an online encyclopedia. The benefits of the Internet (and more

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/11/2010 10:08:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, liamwy...@gmail.com writes: If there is another organisation out there that offers a printing-and-binding service that is comparable to what PediaPress offers then we could/should add it to the list but I don't believe

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fa...

2010-11-07 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/7/2010 8:12:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: They won't be people that want ads, though. They'll be people that want ad revenue for us. If they click, they'll be clicking to get us revenue and not actually buying, which advertisers stopped

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fa...

2010-11-07 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/7/2010 2:03:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: I'm also skeptical that any sort of tab that is just a click here to see ads will be very productive. I'm also skeptical that manually placed and manually monitored, internet advertising even

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fa...

2010-11-07 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/7/2010 3:19:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, wikim...@inbox.org writes: Doesn't Google lets the advertiser pick which searches they want to appear on? Is that manual, or automagic? Would letting the advertiser pick which articles they want to appear on be manual, or

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread WJhonson
Billions is not the appropate word here. Extrapolating from my own personal Adsense experience, I would suggest that with a single ad per article, the project would only earn perhaps 1 to 5 million a year. That's being generous. W ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-02 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 11:50:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cimonav...@gmail.com writes: Another thing that might shut this stuff down, or atleast make people more savvy in judging what quality they are getting, would be if we finally got some dead tree stuff out there with the WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2010 7:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, risker...@gmail.com writes: My point still stands. The drug company

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 7:52:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 6:57:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: Sure. Find an article with a french author and bring moral rights into play. That isn't enough, because *you* would have no standing. You'd be thrown out, and the WMF isn't likely to want to be the

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 6:16:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: The PLOS Medicine article is based on a dataset of 78 interventional studies, 81 observational studies, and only 47 scientific reviews. Also, they do not dissect the data based on the reputability of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2010 10:04:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dgoodma...@gmail.com writes: Those who advocate this, though well meaning, go way beyond our scope. This is a matter for professional journals, not an unauthoritative reader-edited encyclopedia Yes, giving our readers the

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2010 7:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, risker...@gmail.com writes: My point still stands. The drug company *always* pays for the research. Mentioning it is irrelevant to the quality of the article itself. This is false. The drug company does not always pay for

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-26 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/26/2010 1:14:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, slimvir...@gmail.com writes: This is the kind of test of our accuracy we really don't want. :) There you go using that A word again. W ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and ...

2010-10-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/24/2010 10:58:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dgoodma...@gmail.com writes: This is not a mechanical process. It is editing in the true sense of the word: it takes judgement, it takes takes research-- things we have been claiming are against our basic principles.

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/25/2010 2:12:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: Superb. I was wondering when someone would actually say this. It is the point I made right at the beginning of all of this. That the drug pages should not be reflecting some controversy.

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/24/2010 8:53:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: Secondly an assessment on what constitutes encyclopaedic information. Does an article absolutely have to mention each and every rumour, half-truth, or crackpot opinion? Encyclopaedic

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and ...

2010-10-24 Thread WJhonson
If anyone is relying on Wikipedia, then they have a fundamental disconnect from what we were and still are trying to do. The entire point of Wikipedia today, is to make people think, not to stop them from thinking. That is why we now, for the first time in history, have a method, if it's not

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and ...

2010-10-24 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/24/2010 5:15:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: Perhaps you aren't listening? Although I do notice moments where you tend to make the same points. Still what I'm trying to do is to at least get some here to think as to how one might

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/23/2010 3:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: OK this is going to be controversial but have you ever considered taht maybe you shouldn't have anything on Atorvastatin other than what comes as the medical advice in the packaging? One

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread Wjhonson
But it does have authoritative perspective. That is exactly my point and the point at which you railed at, from a position that was extreme. Your contention is that we should not report *any* thing in our work on a drug except what the manufacturer puts on the label. And that you don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-23 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/23/2010 2:43:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: If at any moment it can be stood on its head then the information contained in the articles can never be authoritative. Suppose I have a calculator that every once in a while, and quite

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for new project

2010-10-21 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/21/2010 6:52:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, m...@marcusbuck.org writes: I think your proposal is a good idea and that that wiki could develop into a very useful resource. However it does not fit into Wikimedia. Wikimedia is strictly about educational content and neutral

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for new project

2010-10-20 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/20/2010 11:30:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, op.leona...@gmail.com writes: Electrodomestics, Autos, Houses, Clothes and Shoes, Kitchen accesories, etc. Can I suggest that Electrodomestics doesn't mean anything to U.S. English speakers ?

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-16 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/16/2010 10:47:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: Unfortunately we don't have a better word to describe the effortless and thoughtless copying of something from something else, so I will use that word. Note 'incorporates' suggests that

Re: [Foundation-l] External links to PHP scripts

2010-10-11 Thread WJhonson
I stumbled upon a link on the Talk Page of Henry Fonda (which I removed) which directs the reader to a page that contains a PHP script. That idea disturbs me, I think it should be, but I'm not sure it is, against policy. Do we have a policy that forbids or at least discourages the use of links

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/5/2010 6:01:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jayen...@yahoo.com writes: You're right there. It's a bloody headache finding the words of the article in amongst all the citation templates when you're trying to edit. That however really isn't a fault that can be laid at

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/3/2010 5:04:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, michaeldavi...@comcast.net writes: Much of what you say here is true, David. However, the task becomes an arduous one when the students rule the classroom. The prevailing culture in Wikipedia, whose dogma seems to be, this is

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/3/2010 8:14:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: Will, can you try and focus on the three questions and keep this on-topic. 1. Is there a quality problem in certain areas. Yes or no? 2. If there is a problem, are there any underlying

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-03 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/3/2010 9:59:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dger...@gmail.com writes: No, built by the masses was not the intent. The goal was to build an encyclopedia. It turns out the masses are fantastically useful in this, but claiming that was a goal is simply factually inaccurate.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/2/2010 3:01:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, slimvir...@gmail.com writes: Academics don't have the time or patience to explain basic points for years on end to people who feel that reading books or papers about the subject is unnecessary. I'm sure the biology experts would

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/2/2010 10:04:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: You missed the point again. Sarah is not saying that the *readers* need to understand the basics. She is saying that the problem is with *editors*. And you've missed the point. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-10-02 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/2/2010 10:21:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: You can't spell, you can't write, you shift ground constantly, you fail to understand even the most basic point. Your understanding of the subject is in inverse proportion to you

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-27 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/27/2010 7:17:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nawr...@gmail.com writes: 1. No one is accountable, nor does anyone feel responsible, for the accuracy of Wikipedia articles, since they are unsigned and have no official authors. -- The authors can be viewed in the

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/25/2010 12:10:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's why Wikipedia is considered impossible by experts. == Hmm broad brush. I would say collaboration is considered hopeless to those who think

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-21 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/21/2010 12:11:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: I brought it up because Johnson was insisting that someone without formal training in the humanities could write an article just as well as someone with formal training. Peter I'm finding it

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-20 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/20/2010 12:02:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: In my experience the problem of humanities in Wikipedia is that the methods and training of the 'experts' is so fundamentally different from that of 'Wikipedians' (who by and large

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-20 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/20/2010 12:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: I can read a book on the History of the Fourth Crusade, and adds quotes to our articles on the persons and events, just as well as an expert in that specific field. If this

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/19/2010 9:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: I would strongly urge you to leave the editing of articles concerning philosophy and/or philosophers to genuine experts. You simply lack the understanding and expertise required to assess

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-19 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/19/2010 10:47:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: You have made your view very clear. I've tried to be polite, and to avoid any talking-down, and I am sorry if it has appeared that way. You use the collective 'we', meaning you speak

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread WJhonson
Your position is flawed. What is enduring is not the same as what will be interesting to future generations. Enduring to me means, yet existing. Some sex toys will be yet existing in 100 years, but I'm sure they will all be interesting especially to researchers of the use of sex toys which

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-18 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/18/2010 10:10:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, peter.dam...@btinternet.com writes: I think you misunderstand the meaning of 'enduring'. I think you misunderstand the purpose of an 'argument'. Your one-line remarks do not propel your purpose forward, they make it look like

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
How would locking Wikipedia down fulfill the mission to collect all the educational information known. Information changes constantly, new information becomes available constantly, and new material gets added to old articles constantly. I myself just added some new detail to an article within

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
Anyone who is interested in supporting a specialist work should give money to that work. Wikipedia is a general work however. There are those who would rather support a general work, which has one set of rules, navigation and procedures across the project, rather than fifteen specialized

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
I'm hoping I'm not understanding this criticism: ' that it is unduly oriented to topics of interest to the masses,' Are you stating that Peter is stating that a general encyclopedia should not be oriented to topics of interest to the masses? Who exactly is the audience if not the masses?

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
Can you give an example of what appeal to the popular means in the context of our project and how those appeals as you say are not educational? For example just today, at work, a question came up about exactly what a certain divorce proceeding said about a certain politician and why that

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
I dont understand how information about pornography, computer games, tv shows... is not educational. If I want to know whether Berle Ives was ever a guest star on Bewitched, why wouldn't we fulfill a request like that in project ? -Original Message- From: Peter Damian

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread Wjhonson
foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005? - Original Message - rom: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com o: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org ent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:34 PM ubject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has

Re: [Foundation-l] Private Wiki

2010-07-22 Thread WJhonson
For wiki-style collaboration I usually use either PBWiki (or pbworks, whatever, it's all the sme company) or sites.google.com Both allow for FREE, private, multi-user, instant, online collaboration using a free online smart editing engine. Same as Wikipedia. And the results of that

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread wjhonson
An audit of what exactly? You mean a financial audit of monies passing through the hands of the WMF ? That kind of audit? Will -Original Message- From: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jul

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-30 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/30/2010 5:36:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: If a way of halting the gross infringements can't be done. Then go back to hitting the seeders with $22,000 fines per infringed work. The economic costs of simply walking away and not

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-29 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/29/2010 11:21:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: There needs to be a deterrent to infringement. If all that happens if you get caught riding the bus without paying fare, is that you have to pay the fare, who would pay the fare upfront?

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-27 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/27/2010 12:45:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes: On 27 June 2010 20:42, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Given that this is recurring drama-creating behavior, perhaps we can move on to the ignore stage of WP:RBI. On enwiki, we did

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-26 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/26/2010 2:33:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: When service providers are lobbying to promote copyleft they are doing so in order muddy the copyright waters. The amount of copyleft material in the music world is, with the exception of

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/25/2010 3:55:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu writes: Do I have to request your termination for abuse of this list? Why do I envision the Red Queen and the White Queen when I read that remark? David Gerard cut off your own head! Do it

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/25/2010 6:58:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu writes: If you want to know my fair use credentials and my involvement, I was one of the people involved in the fringe of one of the most important internet fair use court cases of the modern

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread wjhonson
I hope you don't think that an individual contacting a company is going to do anything to change their minds about what is perceived about their frivolous claim. You didn't address my extension of that notice which would read something like If you believe this material IS in the public

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread wjhonson
-Original Message- From: Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:54 pm Subject: [Foundation-l] Office action It is a shame that WMF hasn't a policy of TRANSPARENCY regarding office actions. The right of the community to

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-22 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 5/22/2010 11:41:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: The foundation or the site admins do moderate. The foundation or they DO have the power, to delete submissions that are considered non encyclopedic, trolling, libelous and etc. There is

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-21 Thread wjhonson
Your over-broad reading of this law would effectively gut that other law which states that a host company is not responsible for what people are hosting. Wouldn't it? Unless you're going to support what appears to be an unsupportable platform that child porn (or whatever you want to call

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-20 Thread wjhonson
You are missing the key point. The pivot upon which the issue turns is not whether or not a site is non-commercial or educational. The pivot is whether the site itself creates the content, or whether it merely hosts the content. Wikimedia Commons is more likely to be viewed as a host agent

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread wjhonson
If there is enough of a perceived need for content filtering, someone will fill that void. That someone does not need to be us. Google does this job with their image browser already without the need for any providers to actively tag any images. How do they do that? I have no idea, but they

Re: [Foundation-l] Filtering ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread wjhonson
The Fox article helpfully describes how to find those cartoon illustrations depicting child sex acts Would anyone be interested in seeing how many times those pictures were viewed prior to Fox's article, and after the article came out? Dirty hands is an effective legal counter-claim is it

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: As I said, the selection of these coordinates is a work, and if you dont have any image available you cannot do so. What is the contract between you and google to use this data? Are you

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/1/2010 5:28:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: Guys, Lets get back to one point : terms of service. We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/31/2010 12:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: In openstreetmap we are not allowed to import the positions of items based on the locations in wikipedia because they are derived from geoeye/googlemaps for the most part. So there is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/31/2010 1:30:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: (e) use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not limited to numerical latitude or longitude

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/31/2010 1:56:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: The issue is the location of things that are only visible using high quality sat images from googlemaps and co. We don't have those positions for many of the locations and they are only

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/31/2010 2:08:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pbeaude...@wikimedia.org writes: I don't have to own your camera to use it, and claim copyright. :) -- You are *taking* the picture however, with a mechanical device while you are excersizing creativity over it's

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread WJhonson
Top posting is not what *creates* the crap. Copying the entire email is a standard setting in some clients (toggleable) and an optional setting in others (toggleable) and probably there are some which don't let you select to do that, or undo it either! Personally I don't want to scroll down

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/30/2010 6:50:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mgod...@wikimedia.org writes: I keep pointing out, of course, that there's lots of material in Swedish Wikipedia that's not freely licensed -- for example, the names of Living Persons or the true names of contributors who choose

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 3/30/2010 8:37:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mnemo...@gmail.com writes: Which free license is being used here with regard to the right to use true names? GFDL? CC-BY-SA? What I'm suggesting is that regardless of which license we decide to use as a project, an editor

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-05 Thread wjhonson
That's extreme. We already use reliable sources in the project. The key is reasonable effort, not Herculean effort, not absurd effort, just a reasonable effort. -Original Message- From: geni geni...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List

Re: [Foundation-l] policy and the guideline wikipedia - ja

2010-03-05 Thread wjhonson
This is my impression of the question, using my psychic ability. There is no Japanese policy on X, someone took the English language policy and used that instead. Is that applicable to the Japanese edition? Or should the Japanese make their own policy and guidelines, not copy the English

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread wjhonson
But Dan your reply allows any illegitimate claim of copyright infringement to be acted upon as an office action. It's possible that we could say that the office cannot know whether a claim is legitimate or not, but if the office is informed through a reliable source that a claim is

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/29/2009 5:45:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: But then, if Ryan could do it, anyone, including an investigative journalist could have done it. But you're assuming that they could then apply guilt by association which would throw egg on our

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/29/2009 11:43:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: We don't block incarcerated prisoners. Prisons do that, to protect themselves and the public. Prisoners know how to do online fraud, and are good at it. *Some* prisons do it, some do the exact

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