Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-13 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 13.03.2012 03:39, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: It's not me who's uploading hundreds of pornographic media onto Wikimedia sites. There are places for porn online, just like there are places for online poker, and amateur digital art. I have no problem with any of them. But listen to yourself – you

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.03.2012 03:39, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: No. I'm not accusing you for prudery, but for making wrong cited statements. Your assumption is that we have to sacrifice neutrality to please a audience that

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-13 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 13.03.2012 10:39, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.03.2012 03:39, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: No. I'm not accusing you for prudery, but for making wrong cited statements. Your assumption is that we have to

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm speaking as an individual here, not on behalf of my chapter. The problem that the English language Wikipedia has that the German language one does not, is that we cover countries as far apart as the libertarian micronation of 'Sealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand'

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 March 2012 12:28, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: deepest parts of the US bible belt, and areas such as Pakistan and India, which have sizeable English-speaking populations and a very strong religious vein. With such a diverse worldwide readership on one language,

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you consider that the current proposal is for a system where it takes one click to see something anyway, I do think the notion that something is not knowable is over the top. Thanks, Gerard On 12 March 2012 14:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2012 12:28,

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 March 2012 13:55, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: When you consider that the current proposal is for a system where it takes one click to see something anyway, I do think the notion that something is not knowable is over the top. The rationale is problematic: to

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, That is beside the point. You are against the proposal that is on the table. It is a compromise. Now the fact that some want much more and you want much less makes it a compromise. So what gives, why do you refer to the opposing point of view ? Why not accept the proposal as is and leave it

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Nathan
The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound ignorance. It's best ignored, along with the people who use it. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchlimit=250offset=20redirs=0profile=imagessearch=male+human So unless I want to see 100 dicks and arseholes I am somehow against * knowledge*?

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In the Netherlands we have our own bible belt.. it is not exclusive to the USA Thanks, Gerard On 12 March 2012 16:43, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Marc Riddell
on 3/12/12 11:43 AM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound ignorance. It's best ignored, along with the people who use it. Nathan, how on earth do you equate the

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Fae
On 12 March 2012 16:34, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: ... You got this the wrong way round, mate. All those pictures of dicks and arseholes are preventing people from learning what they might want to learn, because actual worthwhile knowledge is crowded out by all the dicks and

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote: on 3/12/12 11:43 AM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound ignorance. It's

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Strangely enough, searching Commons for Male figure rather than Male human shows me artwork from the National Museum of African Art and a Michelangelo Buonarroti sketch from the Louvre in top matches. No problem with wading through

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Strangely enough, searching Commons for Male figure rather than Male human shows me artwork from the National Museum of African Art and a Michelangelo

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Hubert
??? Hubertl Am 12.03.2012 16:43, schrieb Nathan: The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound ignorance. It's best ignored, along with the people who use it. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Hubert
Am 12.03.2012 18:02, schrieb Marc Riddell: on 3/12/12 11:43 AM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The bible belt phrase that some people throw around in this discussion is just a stand-in for anti-Americanism and a sign of profound ignorance. It's best ignored, along with the people who use

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Strangely enough, searching Commons for Male figure rather than Male human shows me artwork from the National Museum of African Art and a Michelangelo Buonarroti sketch from the Louvre in top matches. No problem with wading through

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
I'm tired to reply to this kind of comments since I said anything important multiple times already. So I will keep it as that and only write the following: Sorry, but your comments are total bullshit¹ and you know it. ¹ includes strong language, overly repeated selective examples, bending

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 March 2012 20:24, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm tired to reply to this kind of comments since I said anything important  multiple times already. So I will keep it as that and only write the following: Sorry, but your comments are total bullshit¹ and you know

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Fae
Andreas, I am not going to express an opinion on the case you reference, this is still a hot debate, particularly on Commons, and I do not believe there is a stable consensus yet. I certainly have no personal interest in being continually dragged into penis wars or be forced to read criminal

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2012 20:24, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm tired to reply to this kind of comments since I said anything important multiple times already. So I will keep it as that and only

[Foundation-l] Controversial content software status - the image filter disguised under a new label

2012-03-10 Thread Möller , Carsten
I would like it the other way: Why should some minorities force a worldwide project to obay their point of view regarding images or other controversial content? Why should the german speaking community collect funds for this filtering and hiding project? Every community is free to discuss