On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/13 effe iets anders :
> > can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
>
> Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list.
>
Yes, but misuse of this list is very much within the scope of killing the
thread.
>
> _
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
>
>> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
>> expenses.
>>
>> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
>> provide you with some information.
>>
> Thank you very much, I a
2009/9/13 effe iets anders :
> can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list.
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2009/9/13 Thomas Dalton
> 2009/9/13 Austin Hair :
> > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
> >>> Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
> >>
> >> If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
> >
> > I think it's fa
2009/9/13 Austin Hair :
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>>> Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
>>
>> If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
>
> I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your statement.
You take offence
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
>
> If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your statement.
> Last time I checked, being a non-profit (and a ch
2009/9/13 John Vandenberg :
> I am also shocked by this very broad brush.
>
> You are not just saying that they lack experience, or "competence" -
> you are saying that chapters are likely to misuse funds.
You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't specified a probability
that a randomly chosen
2009/9/13 Austin Hair :
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
>> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
>> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
>> donat
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/12 Yann Forget :
>> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
>>> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
>>> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appro
Дана Saturday 12 September 2009 20:03:32 Thomas Dalton написа:
> > People will make bad decisions, estimates, projections, guesses,
> > conclusions sometimes; it happens. We spot them the second time
> > around, once we've realised they're wrong, fix them, and move on.
>
> By that time that harm ma
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
> donations on, they don't necessarily k
2009/9/12 Andrew Gray :
> 2009/9/12 Thomas Dalton :
>
>> While I don't doubt that the
>> Portuguese Wikimedians are acting in good faith, trust requires two
>> things - good faith and competence. They are almost certainly not
>> competent since they haven't had an opportunity to develop that
>> com
2009/9/12 Yann Forget :
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
>> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
>> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
>> donations on, they don't necessarily know
2009/9/12 Thomas Dalton :
> While I don't doubt that the
> Portuguese Wikimedians are acting in good faith, trust requires two
> things - good faith and competence. They are almost certainly not
> competent since they haven't had an opportunity to develop that
> competence yet, so they should not
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
> donations on, they don't necessarily know what needs to done and just
>
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Nathan wrote:
> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
> chapters[1],
The chapter has been approved for creation, but has not been created
yet, so it's not on wmf:Local chapters. (Last time WMBR was on there
without being registered, p
2009/9/12 Sue Gardner :
> Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
> little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
> meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
>
> The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
> to people to get go
Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
to people to get good work done. The basic assumption
May I respectfully suggest that further discussion on this thread be
taken offlist until new arguments come to light which have not already
been posted?
-- brion
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2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
> it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
> are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
> understanding of Portuguese culture.
I
the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
understanding of Portuguese culture.
Lodewijk
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
>
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
> to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
> Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
> end that is what we ask people to
Hoi,
Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
end that is what we ask people to contribute to.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
>> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
>> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
>
> If they value themselves o
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
If they value themselves over our goals, they are entitled to
Hoi,
You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
> 2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette :
> >
> > On Sep 11,
2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette :
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
>> human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
>> comes to food.
>
>
> This, in fact, is one of the great fallacies
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
> human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
> comes to food.
This, in fact, is one of the great fallacies of international
organizations. Failure
Hoi,
The likely and obvious answer is to someone who is known and trusted to be
involved in this.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
> 2009/9/11 Michael Snow :
> > Nathan wrote:
> >> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
> >> chapters[1], but the grant crit
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're reading to paraphrase them
> in those contingent terms. To quote from the page itself, "If your
> chapter is still in development, you can still apply for funds
> (especially when they are releva
2009/9/11 Michael Snow :
> Nathan wrote:
>> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
>> chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
>> on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
>> it to meta?
>>
> I'm not sure what par
Nathan wrote:
> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
> chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
> on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
> it to meta?
>
I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're readin
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Waldir Pimenta wrote:
> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
> expenses.
>
> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
> provide you with some information.
>
> First of all, I'd point out that n
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
> We would love to receive advice on how we can make the chapter work (well)
> with people so spread across the country (almost all the involved people
> live in different cities), and since much of the money WMF has was
> volunteer-contributed, we will take into account
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
> expenses.
>
> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
> provide you with some information.
Thank you very much, I appreciate your willingness to discuss this
2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
> thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
> setting up a chapter?
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
human beings, the same as
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
First of all, I'd point out that none of us has any experience in
nation-wide nonprofit organizations.
Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
setting up a chapter?
Besides that I think you're paraphrasing way too much. The grant request
only suggested that this kind of costs are just costs tha
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jennifer Riggs wrote:
> The discussion about a budget line item being appropriate in one context
> and not in the next has been very interesting to me. And especially in
> this case as it involves the provision of food, which is one of the most
> deeply held cultur
2009/9/11 Jennifer Riggs :
> However the word and concept of "frugality" differs significantly across
> cultures. In my experience with many non-Western cultures, asking people
> to bring lunch from home or spend their own money for it would not only
> exclude participation, it would insult people.
'm looking forward in particular to seeing
> how the grant money will be spent for improving Commons' software, and
> what ideas may come about for giving Wikibooks some in-software structure.
>
> - -Mike
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 22:21, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
>> remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
>> different ways. I am sure there are things in the history
2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
> remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
> different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
> you do not wish onto others.. Everyone
Hoi,
I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
you do not wish onto others.. Everyone has to deal with the local
environment
2009/9/10 Chad :
> I hadn't read that either. Ridiculous, I agree. I doubt people are donating
> to the WMF for them to send the money to the Portuguese chapter for
> their lunches.
>
> The only part of that budget that makes sense to me is the legal fees, and
> they're certainly not a back-breakin
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton :
>> 2009/9/10 Pharos :
>>> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>>>
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
>>
>> Ah, well found! I didn't think to check tha
2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/10 Pharos :
>> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
>
> Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
> suggest it would contain such info
2009/9/10 Pharos :
> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
suggest it would contain such info.
> Since 26 were accepted in total
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/10 Sue Gardner :
>> Hi Thomas!
>>
>> Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
>> proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
>> it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my l
2009/9/10 Sue Gardner :
> Hi Thomas!
>
> Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
> proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
> it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
The proposals are up, but not the details of which wer
Hi Thomas!
Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
Thanks,
Sue
On 09/09/2009, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Once again, thank you for this. One
Once again, thank you for this. One question:
2009/9/9 Sue Gardner :
> Jennifer worked with Sue, Erik Moeller and Veronique to review and
> evaluate proposals submitted through the Chapters Funding Request
> process. Twenty-six of thirty proposals received were approved.
> Recipients will be posti
Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
Covering: June 2009
Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
MILESTONES FROM JUNE
1. Finalization and approval of the 2009-10 Annual Pla
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