Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Ting Chen
Sorry I wrote my last mail in haste and I didn't explained it very good. At first I am not very worried about images on commons, I believe there are already some reexaminations done. I am more worried about images that are in the local projects. Take the example of my home-project zh-wp. We hav

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Oldak Quill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I disagree that we should have different standards for media > containing nudity and sexuality. Sexuality is an important educational > subject. One of the most important, as another poster pointed out. On > Wikipedia alo

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LonelygirlUk. > "Oh yes, Thats me— I consent to being naked on the internet" > > We're kind screwed with respect to your hypothetical, but we should > still do due diligence. > Of course, the LonelygirlUK images were

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Oldak Quill
2008/12/10 Huib Laurens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I believe that we have a lot of images from flickr with sexual > content. And there is no way to make sure that the (Fe)male on the > photo agrees with the photo on commons or the licence it is under. > > I have tryed to nominate images like th

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Robert Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Considerations of personal privacy don't apply to pictures of fruit or > airplanes. Images of identifiable people posing are intrinsically > different and deserve to be treated with greater sceptism. > > If you don'

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread David Moran
I think first what would be required was that it be convincingly demonstrated that "inappropriate use" of sexual imagery on Commons was in fact a problem before we start crafting deletion policies to deal with it. FMF On 12/10/08, Robert Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 200

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:22 AM, David Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it's helpful or useful to classify images that aren't > currently being used in an article somewhere as second class, or more > readily deletable. There are, I think it safe to say, TONS of images on > Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Andrew Whitworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM, David Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't think it's helpful or useful to classify images that aren't >> currently being used in an article somewhere as second class, or more >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Ting Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually I don't care if the image has sexual content or not. There are > some points we should consider: > > At first I don't trust all the claims on flickr. > Second there may be content that violate personality or other lega

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Andrew Whitworth
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM, David Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it's helpful or useful to classify images that aren't > currently being used in an article somewhere as second class, or more > readily deletable. There are, I think it safe to say, TONS of images on > Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread David Moran
Also, it's probably worth pointing out that most of the people here ultimately seem to be urging a re-examination of Flickr-licensed images in general, not so much specifically sexual ones. FMF On 12/10/08, David Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it's helpful or useful to clas

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread David Moran
I don't think it's helpful or useful to classify images that aren't currently being used in an article somewhere as second class, or more readily deletable. There are, I think it safe to say, TONS of images on Commons that aren't being used anywhere. So what if we have male nudes far in excess of

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Ting Chen
Actually I don't care if the image has sexual content or not. There are some points we should consider: At first I don't trust all the claims on flickr. Second there may be content that violate personality or other legal issues. Some of the images were uploaded years ago and at that time we had

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Robert Rohde
I wouldn't mind a standard that said that identifiable, contemporary nudes (i.e. images with faces showing which aren't decades old) would be deleted if there aren't being used on any Wikimedia project. There is a non-trivial risk of harm if we simply allow unlimited inclusion of photos that under

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Waerth
Oh boy in comes the political correctness brigade . > Hi, > > I believe that we have a lot of images from flickr with sexual > content. And there is no way to make sure that the (Fe)male on the > photo agrees with the photo on commons or the licence it is under. > > I have tryed to nominate i

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Huib Laurens
Hi, I believe that we have a lot of images from flickr with sexual content. And there is no way to make sure that the (Fe)male on the photo agrees with the photo on commons or the licence it is under. I have tryed to nominate images like that for deletion. I can say all image are kept. The main r

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-10 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Nathan, also I don't consider myself as an active member of the commons community, but surely as a heavy user of it :-), I agree with you that we should reestimate these images. As for other wikipedia language versions. As far as I know on my home-version, the zh-wp there are no such ima

[Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-09 Thread Nathan
There have been a number of discussion on the English Wikipedia lately (sparked, of course, by the Virgin Killer image controversy) on the propriety of various images and the need for retaining them on Wikipedia. This is a problem that has a long history on Wikipedia, and a number of controls are i