Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-30 Thread Ray Saintonge
Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: Marc, you comment is not very optimistic, but it was a great incentive to do what I announced above. Hopefully others will be more encouraged to voice their ideas about other matters, knowing they'll find a friendly hear and some useful and very welcome

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-30 Thread Mark Williamson
Behavior on many projects IS outrageous; when someone complains the response is almost universally that the foundation doesn't get involved in local project business. Mark skype: node.ue On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Fred Bauder wrote: 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-29 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The signpost is something of the English Wikipedia. I do not frequent there. Also you are wrong on principles when you expect people of this list to give the English Wikipedia all their attention. This is

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Is this blog syndicated on either of the two ? That would be the obvious thing to get it read :) Thanks, GerardM 2009/6/29 phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The signpost is something of the

[Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-29 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
Talking about antisocial... It's quite interesting what I experienced in this very list. I wasn't aware of the study published in the New Scientist until I read about it here on the list, and appreciate the information very much. Earlier this month I wrote about my perception of the same

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-29 Thread Nathan
The most significant problem, Virgilio, is that there isn't too much people on this list can do. Unless and until problems become so clear that steward or Foundation action are obviously called for, there is unlikely to be much concrete action at all. Since we can't impose a solution to the

[Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-29 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Thanks for the comments from Marc, Nathan and Steven. I'm hurrying this response in an attempt to keep the subject alive for a little longer and generate some interest from others. Marc, you comment is not very optimistic, but it was a great

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production pt:wiki policies

2009-06-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Steven Walling wrote: 1. You're wrong. Just today I myself received some kind words offlist, but related to a thread. Just because you're not getting the air of friendliness you desire (at this moment anyway), doesn't mean friendliness doesn't exist. Getting friendly words offlist, says

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-28 Thread Bence Damokos
You can find the original study at: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1 http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/cpb.2007.0225?cookieSet=1apparently they used a pre-existing questionairre called the BFI Questionnaire (probably stands for Big Five

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-28 Thread Tisza Gergő
Eddie Tejeda ed...@... writes: 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-28 Thread Ray Saintonge
Tisza Gergő wrote: Eddie Tejeda ed...@... writes: ithttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-grumpy-and-closedminded.html, Wikipedians are generally grumpy, disagreeable, and closed to new ideas.'

[Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Eddie Tejeda
'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70 non-Wikipedians.

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Fred Bauder
'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Marc Riddell
'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Steven Walling
I concur with Phil. That thing is more press stunt than it is a conclusive scientific study. The key thing that makes me discount it is, just like in a survey of articles, Wikipedia as a community is both gargantuan and diverse. The motivation and character of the long tail of contributors who

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread David Moran
While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me. DM On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: I concur with Phil. That thing is more press

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Marc Riddell
on 6/27/09 6:35 PM, David Moran at fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote: While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me. DM And, until that changes, the Project will grow only in

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Phil Nash
Marc Riddell wrote: on 6/27/09 6:35 PM, David Moran at fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote: While not exactly science, having gone to more than one Wikipedia picnic to break bread with my fellow contributors ... the conclusions seem pretty accurate to me. DM And, until that changes, the

Re: [Foundation-l] antisocial production

2009-06-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Eddie Tejedaed...@visudo.com wrote: 'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research