Дана Saturday 12 September 2009 20:03:32 Thomas Dalton написа:
People will make bad decisions, estimates, projections, guesses,
conclusions sometimes; it happens. We spot them the second time
around, once we've realised they're wrong, fix them, and move on.
By that time that harm may have
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/12 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
non-profit. They
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
non-profit. They don't know what is and
2009/9/13 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
I am also shocked by this very broad brush.
You are not just saying that they lack experience, or competence -
you are saying that chapters are likely to misuse funds.
You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't specified a probability
that a
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your statement.
Last time I checked, being a
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your
can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
2009/9/13 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
If you are offended by statements of
2009/9/13 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com:
can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list.
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com:
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
Thank you very much, I
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/9/13 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com:
can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list.
Yes, but misuse of this list is very much
2009/9/12 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org:
Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
to
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
chapters[1],
The chapter has been approved for creation, but has not been created
yet, so it's not on wmf:Local chapters. (Last time WMBR was on there
without
Thomas Dalton wrote:
While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
donations on, they don't necessarily know what needs to done and just
2009/9/12 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
While I don't doubt that the
Portuguese Wikimedians are acting in good faith, trust requires two
things - good faith and competence. They are almost certainly not
competent since they haven't had an opportunity to develop that
competence yet,
2009/9/12 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
donations on, they don't
2009/9/12 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
2009/9/12 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
While I don't doubt that the
Portuguese Wikimedians are acting in good faith, trust requires two
things - good faith and competence. They are almost certainly not
competent since they haven't
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
donations on, they
Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
setting up a chapter?
Besides that I think you're paraphrasing way too much. The grant request
only suggested that this kind of costs are just costs
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
First of all, I'd point out that none of us has any experience in
nation-wide nonprofit
2009/9/11 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com:
Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
setting up a chapter?
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com:
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
Thank you very much, I appreciate your willingness to
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com:
We would love to receive advice on how we can make the chapter work (well)
with people so spread across the country (almost all the involved people
live in different cities), and since much of the money WMF has was
volunteer-contributed, we will take
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com wrote:
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
First of all, I'd point
Nathan wrote:
I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
it to meta?
I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're reading to
2009/9/11 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
Nathan wrote:
I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
it to meta?
I'm not
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're reading to paraphrase them
in those contingent terms. To quote from the page itself, If your
chapter is still in development, you can still apply for funds
(especially when
Hoi,
The likely and obvious answer is to someone who is known and trusted to be
involved in this.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
2009/9/11 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
Nathan wrote:
I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
comes to food.
This, in fact, is one of the great fallacies of international
organizations. Failure
2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org:
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
comes to food.
This, in fact, is one of the
Hoi,
You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
2009/9/11 Philippe
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
If they value themselves over our
Hoi,
Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
end that is what we ask people to contribute to.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
end that is
the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
understanding of Portuguese culture.
Lodewijk
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
2009/9/11 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com:
the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
understanding of
May I respectfully suggest that further discussion on this thread be
taken offlist until new arguments come to light which have not already
been posted?
-- brion
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Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
to people to get good work done. The basic assumption
2009/9/10 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org:
Hi Thomas!
Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
The proposals are up, but not the
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/10 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org:
Hi Thomas!
Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
it, and I can post the
2009/9/10 Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com:
There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
suggest it would contain such info.
Since
2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/9/10 Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com:
There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/9/10 Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com:
There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
2009/9/10 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com:
I hadn't read that either. Ridiculous, I agree. I doubt people are donating
to the WMF for them to send the money to the Portuguese chapter for
their lunches.
The only part of that budget that makes sense to me is the legal fees, and
they're certainly
Hoi,
I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
you do not wish onto others.. Everyone has to deal with the local
2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
you do not wish
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 22:21, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
different ways. I
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From: Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing
2009/9/11 Jennifer Riggs jri...@wikimedia.org:
However the word and concept of frugality differs significantly across
cultures. In my experience with many non-Western cultures, asking people
to bring lunch from home or spend their own money for it would not only
exclude participation, it would
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jennifer Riggsjri...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The discussion about a budget line item being appropriate in one context
and not in the next has been very interesting to me. And especially in
this case as it involves the provision of food, which is one of the most
Once again, thank you for this. One question:
2009/9/9 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org:
Jennifer worked with Sue, Erik Moeller and Veronique to review and
evaluate proposals submitted through the Chapters Funding Request
process. Twenty-six of thirty proposals received were approved.
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