Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Benjamin Otte
Liam R E Quin holoweb.net> writes: > > would you prefer to join a community where you're made fun of on a > routine basis, mocked, ridiculed, made to feel like shit, because you > were born with one leg shorter than the other? > If you looked like "a small, physically deformed (usually hunchback

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Bryen M Yunashko
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 08:10 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose > legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet. > > According to Wiktionary, the word "gimp" has many meanings, one being > "a limping gait". That meaning, the o

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Bryen M Yunashko
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 12:49 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point > were about the word "gimp". Why was that? For the same reason that you distracted from the main message of my post. I'll grant that I probably should be calling

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Michael Hill
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point > were about the word "gimp". Why was that? Richard, sorry for the misdirection. I commented on your first message while replying to your second. The movie was rele

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
I think we need to split this thread. If people want to debate about how the community functions then it's a worthy debate and we should have it. Regarding the gimpnet name. I'm okay with leaving it, and we don't need to remove it. But we will need to make sure that irc clients have irc.gnome.o

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Germán Póo-Caamaño
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 12:49 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [...] > However, I see that Michael Hill also interpreted this as if the point > were about the word "gimp". Why was that? Maybe because this is closer to the topic in discussion (which is not to change the application name, but a DNS r

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Richard Stallman
I sent a message to point out the error of associating GNOME with the term "open source": == As an accessibility user, and noting that GNOME is known for being a world leader in open source accessibility I hope not! GNOM

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Michael Hill
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I hope not! GNOME is meant to be a leader in free software > accessibility, and we hope people will think of it as one. If they > think of GNOME as "open source", we need to set them straight! Richard, I'll remember this each time I ha

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Richard Stallman
Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet. According to Wiktionary, the word "gimp" has many meanings, one being "a limping gait". That meaning, the one I learned long ago, is not derogatory. I suspect that the der

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Richard Stallman
As an accessibility user, and noting that GNOME is known for being a world leader in open source accessibility I hope not! GNOME is meant to be a leader in free software accessibility, and we hope people will think of it as one. If they think of GNOME as "open source", we need to set the

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Hashem Nasarat
True, it's good to be forward-thinking; still, radical love is more needed than radical hate. I don't think you're advocating outright bigotry, but you're advocating what the status quo is -- non-radical -- that is, the unchecked allowance for privileged groups to espouse their views regardless of

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On 10 May 2013 15:55, Bastien Nocera wrote: > I've never heard the word "gimp" used as a slur against handicapped > people If it helps, I've never heard the word used this way either. However, my understanding of the common use of the word isn't any better (warning; possibly NSFW): https://www.g

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 08:55 -0500, meg ford wrote: Hi Meg, > In general when people use the term "PC" in the US, they are talking > about being adopting extra careful/ newly coined language. That's not > what I'm saying. You wouldn't use the term gimp when talking to > someone unless you wante

Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.

2013-05-11 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Michael Hill wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: > >> People have common sense, they know that since we are at the zoo, >> there actually are monkeys to go see. > > Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose > legi