Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Thursday, 13. January 2011 18.57:00 Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > > The implementation can choose any model. Different models can be > implemented as well, so that the final decision about the new standard > can be delayed, until the models can be tested in real world applications. > > One model

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Thaddy
On 13-1-2011 21:40, Sven Barth wrote: WideString on Windows has no reference counting, thus everytime a WideString is assigned it needs to be copied. Not exactly true. widestring is com marshaled and thus has reference counting on the com level. afaik . As long as your memorymanager is com mar

Re: [fpc-devel] Variables declaraction inside code

2011-01-13 Thread Sven Barth
On 13.01.2011 02:20, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: LacaK schrieb: 3. C style comments: /* ... */ (I have never understood why in Pascal was used (* ... *) ) Pascal has several digraphs: (* = { *) = } (. = [ .) = ] I must say, that I have not yet known about the alternatives for the squared b

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Sven Barth
On 13.01.2011 18:57, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Widestring will also grind the application to a halt due to being COM based on Windows. How that? WideString on Windows has no reference counting, thus everytime a WideString is assigned it needs to be copied. When system encoding changes

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Sven Barth
On 12.01.2011 22:40, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Sven Barth said: legacy code can be broken by (eventually) required changes to "set of char", sizeof(char) and PChar, sizeof(string) as opposed to Length(string), upper/lower conversion, and many more not so obvious conseque

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: In our previous episode, Hans-Peter Diettrich said: "non-native" strings, it can also be a performance win). IMO a single encoding, i.e. UTF-8, can cover all cases. Well, for starters, it doesn't cover the existing Delphi/unicode codebase. Because it's bound to UTF-

Re[4]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread José Mejuto
Hello FPC, Thursday, January 13, 2011, 4:24:31 PM, you wrote: >> Are you aware about the Firebird Field(UTF8) and SQLConnection >> CharSet(UTF8) problem ? JvdS> See my mail to Lacak about the two options to solve this. I think the problem is different and can be solved without any compatibility

Re: Re[2]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 15:55 +0100, José Mejuto wrote: > Hello FPC, > > Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:58:30 PM, you wrote: > > JvdS> Then that option has to be added. I think it's already possible but you > JvdS> simply don't know how. (Sql-Server is ODBC only, so that one is fixed. > JvdS> For fi

Re[2]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread José Mejuto
Hello FPC, Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:58:30 PM, you wrote: JvdS> Then that option has to be added. I think it's already possible but you JvdS> simply don't know how. (Sql-Server is ODBC only, so that one is fixed. JvdS> For firebird there's a 'serverencoding' parameter, or something like JvdS>

Re: [fpc-devel] Dwar2 changed?

2011-01-13 Thread Martin
On 13/01/2011 14:14, Joost van der Sluis wrote: >> TCmdLineDebugger.SendCmdLn "-data-evaluate-expression ^^shortstring(^POINTER($eax)^+12)^^" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "^done,value="#0"" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "(gdb) " You do realize that this is an hack? (I partly wrote it) It cou

Re: [fpc-devel] Dwar2 changed?

2011-01-13 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 11:00 +, Martin wrote: > On 13/01/2011 07:45, Joost van der Sluis wrote: > > > >> >> TCmdLineDebugger.SendCmdLn "-data-evaluate-expression > >> ^^shortstring(^POINTER($eax)^+12)^^" > >> << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "^done,value="#0"" > >> << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "(gd

Re: Re[2]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 10:32 +0100, José Mejuto wrote: > Hello FPC, > > Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:03:02 AM, you wrote: > > >> ODBC 3.5 was launched around 2000-2001. > L> But this approach will require changes in packages/odbc/src/odbcsql.inc > L> like, does not ?: > L> -pointer(SQLGetDat

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:49 +0100, LacaK wrote: > So IMHO there must be: > 1. allocated space in record buffer in size 4*TFieldDef.Size+1 > 2. redefine meaning of Size property (as number of bytes not > characters) and create fielddefs with Size*4 Yes, those are the possible solutions. Good thi

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 09:15 +0100, LacaK wrote: > > > Didn't I explain this to you and others a few times? > > > ;-) If so, then please excuse me > > > The database-components itself are encoding-agnostic. This means: > > encoding in = encoding out. > > > > So it is up to the developer what c

Re[2]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread José Mejuto
Hello FPC, Thursday, January 13, 2011, 1:01:57 PM, you wrote: L> Also it seems to me, that when you call ANSI version of ODBC API L> functions, then you receive data in ANSI encoding. L> If it is so, then it is always safe use ansitoutf8() (or UTF8Encode()) L> on receved data. No, because ANSI i

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread LacaK
Most probably it needs a "flag" to indicate that the ODBC must work in Unicode, and then dynamic link to *W functions if this flag is set. I think ODBC drivers since 2002+/- should have this set of APIs, but I had never used ODBC in my life... :) It seems, that Driver Manager automaticaly per

Re: [fpc-devel] Dwar2 changed?

2011-01-13 Thread Martin
On 13/01/2011 07:45, Joost van der Sluis wrote: >> TCmdLineDebugger.SendCmdLn "-data-evaluate-expression ^^shortstring(^POINTER($eax)^+12)^^" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "^done,value="#0"" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "(gdb) " You do realize that this is an hack? (I partly wrote it) It could

Re: [fpc-devel] += with properties

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Schnell
On 01/13/2011 02:25 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: This would result in the same error, because x.a is not an lval. The example that make me ask here was Form1.Caption := Form1.Caption + '.'; -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.free

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Hans-Peter Diettrich said: > >>> "non-native" strings, it can also be a performance win). > >> IMO a single encoding, i.e. UTF-8, can cover all cases. > > > > Well, for starters, it doesn't cover the existing Delphi/unicode codebase. > > Because it's bound to UTF-16? That

Re: [fpc-devel] Dwar2 changed?

2011-01-13 Thread Marc Weustink
Joost van der Sluis wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 23:52 +, Martin wrote: Has dwarf 2 changed ? >> TCmdLineDebugger.SendCmdLn "-data-evaluate-expression ^^shortstring(^POINTER($eax)^+12)^^" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "^done,value="#0"" << TCmdLineDebugger.ReadLn "(gdb) " You do reali

Re[2]: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread José Mejuto
Hello FPC, Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:03:02 AM, you wrote: >> ODBC 3.5 was launched around 2000-2001. L> But this approach will require changes in packages/odbc/src/odbcsql.inc L> like, does not ?: L> -pointer(SQLGetData) := L> GetProcedureAddress(ODBCLibraryHandle,'SQLGetData'); L> +

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread LacaK
L> Yes in UNIX world it may be so (I do not know), L> but in Windows ODBC we have no such possibility AFAIK Quote from Microsoft: "The ODBC 3.5 (or higher) Driver Manager supports both ANSI and Unicode versions of all functions that accept pointers to character strings or SQLPOINTER in their ar

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread LacaK
Joost van der Sluis wrote / nap?sal(a): On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:59 +0100, LacaK wrote: No. It is mandatory that you send/receive UTF8 to/from GUI LCL elements. As LCL elements are using TStringField.Text property, then this property should return UTF8String, right (not AnsiString

Re: [fpc-devel] TStringField, String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread LacaK
Didn't I explain this to you and others a few times? ;-) If so, then please excuse me The database-components itself are encoding-agnostic. This means: encoding in = encoding out. So it is up to the developer what codepage he want to use. So TField.Text can have the encoding _you_ want.

Re: [fpc-devel] String and UnicodeString and UTF8String

2011-01-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday, 12. January 2011 23.05:02 Juha Manninen wrote: > Martin Schreiber kirjoitti maanantai 10 tammikuu 2011 19:22:49: > > On Monday, 10. January 2011 16.27:19 Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > And there are three such cases > > > > > > - normal FPC and Delph 2007- code : ansistring(0) > > >