Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Matt Emson
Most of your arguments point to something like VB3 To clarify, I mean in language complexity. In VB 3, one could (with little extra knowledge) code in BASIC quite quickly. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Monday 26 February 2007 10:13, Matt Emson wrote: I had a fairly quick glance through; I think you missed the point. Most of your arguments point to something like VB3, not Pascal, ADA or C. You mention the syntax of the Java class - Pacal and ADA are both more complicated. Well, let's do

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Mon, 26 Feb 2007, schreef Matt Emson: Read the draft here and tell me what you think of it and whether you have something to add: [explaining classes is not really harder than program/unit] I disagree with this part. Sure, you will get questions of about programs/units, but the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Matt Emson
[explaining classes is not really harder than program/unit] I disagree with this part. Sure, you will get questions of about programs/units, but the purpose of the keywords belonging to them is way easier to explain than public, static and class. To a complete novice, there's not really

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Matt Emson
Well, let's do the standard: Pascal: program Hello_World; begin WriteLn ('Hello world.'); end. Class: What does program mean? Does the name matter? Does it have to be the same as the executable? Why is there a colon at the end of the line - isn't the begin end at

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 26 feb 2007, at 13:07, Matt Emson wrote: Class: What does program mean? Moderator: can you all please take language comparison discussions to fpc-other? Thanks. Jonas FPC Mailing lists admin ___ fpc-pascal maillist -

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-26 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Monday 26 February 2007 12:07, Matt Emson wrote: Well, let's do the standard: Pascal: program Hello_World; begin WriteLn ('Hello world.'); end. Class: What does program mean? That this unit is supposed to be a program. (Still, you can leave it out in

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread Tom Verhoeff
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:00:27PM +0100, Daniël Mantione wrote: Op Tue, 20 Feb 2007, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the ACM-ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest dropped pascal for this year final competitions and for next year, the students are not allowed to use pascal as

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: * Tools: contest-friendly IDE; STL-like library What do you need from STL ? What is lacking ? I program daily and, disregarding GUI classes, all classes I ever needed are in the FCL. So please elaborate. You can assume (correctly) that I don't know anything

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Daniël Mantione wrote: Op Sun, 25 Feb 2007, schreef Michael Van Canneyt: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Tom Verhoeff wrote: To round this off: we are overhauling our CS curriculum, and fortunately there is a small core of Pascal supporters. Personally, I favor

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Florian Klaempfl wrote: Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: * Tools: contest-friendly IDE; STL-like library What do you need from STL ? What is lacking ? I program daily and, disregarding GUI classes, all classes I ever needed are in the FCL. So please

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Sun, 25 Feb 2007, schreef Tom Verhoeff: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:00:27PM +0100, Daniël Mantione wrote: Op Tue, 20 Feb 2007, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the ACM-ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest dropped pascal for this year final competitions and for

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-25 Thread sky
Good to hear that. Do you see any problems coming on the Pascal side? We might be limited in our options on the political side, but on the technical side we might be able to remove a few arguments out of the hands of Java advocates. Funnily, I have almost finished a short article containing

[fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the ACM-ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest dropped pascal for this year final competitions and for next year, the students are not allowed to use pascal as their programming language. Did you know this? What is your idea? Also, in TopCoder site, you can not develop your

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-20 Thread Daniël Mantione
Op Tue, 20 Feb 2007, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the ACM-ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest dropped pascal for this year final competitions and for next year, the students are not allowed to use pascal as their programming language. Did you know this? What is your idea?

Re: [fpc-pascal] Pascal is alive!!??

2007-02-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What about Topcoder's and its Arena? Daniël Mantione wrote: Op Tue, 20 Feb 2007, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In the ACM-ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest dropped pascal for this year final competitions and for next year, the students are not allowed to use pascal as their