Klause Daube wrote: “Fact is:
FM 16...just moves the whole note to be on the same page as the reference
number, leaving a big ugly gap on the page.”
And it’s 2021. Extraordinary. It’s not as if Adobe doesn’t employ people who
know how to do footnotes — they work fine in InDesign. So I guess
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:16:14 +1200
> From: Alan Litchfield
> ...and it was an unfortunate mistake to allow the
> stoush with Apple (if that was what it is was) close the door on having
> FM on the Mac.
The official Adobe explanation at the time, iirc, was that sale of
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:55:11 -0700
From: Carolyn Stallard cstall...@omsys.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Jeremy H. Griffith, 1942-2014
All, Jeremy's widow Debra is reading your kind condolences. She says she is
deeply touched and grateful that so many of his friends
So FrameViewer didn't seem to serve any useful purpose.
It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on the Macs I
spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer would be very
useful, just to remind myself of the content of the docs. Not that I have the
> So FrameViewer didn't seem to serve any useful purpose.
It does now. I can't open any of my 14 years worth of FM docs on the Macs I
spend most of my time on nowadays. Something like FrameViewer would be very
useful, just to remind myself of the content of the docs. Not that I have the
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:55:34 -0800
> From: Alison Craig
> To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
> Subject: OT: FM and InDesign
>
> I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to open
> FM9 files in InDesign?
>
> I'm hoping as they're both Adobe
Rob: I switched to ID when Apple dropped Classic and Adobe reneged on its
promise to make all its major applications PPC/OSX native. The grass on the
other side is somewhat greener, especially if you're having stability issues
with FM and resent having to break footnotes across pages manually.
Rob: I switched to ID when Apple dropped Classic and Adobe reneged on its
promise to make all its "major" applications PPC/OSX native. The grass on the
other side is somewhat greener, especially if you're having stability issues
with FM and resent having to break footnotes across pages
Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to
appear on the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac
running Snow Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like
PageMill appear correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an
ugly generic icon.
Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to
appear on the desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac
running Snow Leopard I see that the icons for some OS9 apps like
PageMill appear correctly, but all I get for FrameMaker docs is an
ugly generic icon.
Leigh:
It's been a while since I used FrameMaker, but iirc, the way I would
get the effect of an autonumber in the position where I wanted it was
to let FM put it into one of the official positions, but in tiny
invisible text, and then use an x-ref to that number to make it
appear where
Leigh:
It's been a while since I used FrameMaker, but iirc, the way I would
get the effect of an autonumber in the position where I wanted it was
to let FM put it into one of the official positions, but in tiny
invisible text, and then use an x-ref to that number to make it
appear where I
In addition to alarmed doors, the UK sports a lot of disabled
toilets. Must be a shortage of plumbers!
Graeme Forbes
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Syed said:
Helvetica for all headers. I used to use Arial, but was clearly shown
(in this list! :)) that Helvetica looks a lot better in larger sizes
(like headers) and in printed form - better curves, etc.
I missed this discussion but I'm not surprised. I've read in more than one
place
in
Syed said:
"Helvetica for all headers. I used to use Arial, but was clearly shown
(in this list! :)) that Helvetica looks a lot better in larger sizes
(like headers) and in printed form - better curves, etc."
I missed this discussion but I'm not surprised. I've read in more than one
place
in
I'm trying to convert a MacFM 7 document to rtf, using mif2go plugged
into FM7.1 on XP in Virtual PC running in Classic under Tiger on my
Mac. I did this once before, a couple of months ago, no problem. This
time I do the exact same thing and I end up with the rtf file, I
think, but it's
I'm trying to convert a MacFM 7 document to rtf, using mif2go plugged
into FM7.1 on XP in Virtual PC running in Classic under Tiger on my
Mac. I did this once before, a couple of months ago, no problem. This
time I do the exact same thing and I end up with the rtf file, I
think, but it's
Tina:
I'm doing editing and layout of a large set of academic papers that
have
loads of footnotes. The organization I'm working for wants to use both
asterisks AND footnotes in the papers.
When I've wanted to do this I've just typed the asterisk after the
title, and put an anchored
Tina:
> I'm doing editing and layout of a large set of academic papers that
> have
> loads of footnotes. The organization I'm working for wants to use both
> asterisks AND footnotes in the papers.
When I've wanted to do this I've just typed the asterisk after the
title, and put an anchored
While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a
foolproof method either. You might still see some footnote text
shifting?randomly?to the next page?while the footnote actually
apears on the previous page. This is?not a pleasant?situation
especially?if you are working on
> While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a
> foolproof method either. You might still see some footnote text
> shifting?randomly?to the next page?while the footnote actually
> apears on the previous page. This is?not a pleasant?situation
> especially?if you are working
Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
run fine.
There's a lot of discussion of Sheepshaver on the fmforosx yahoo
group. For example, one contributor says
I had to pull the WebDAV and
>
> Does anyone have any hints about running Framemaker 7 Mac under the
> OS9 emulator Sheepshaver? It keeps crashing, while all other OS9 aps
> run fine.
There's a lot of discussion of Sheepshaver on the fmforosx yahoo
group. For example, one contributor says
"I had to pull the WebDAV and
Been a while since we had one of these, this one from Chris Seal:
Sometimes a footnote reference in text is on one page but the footnote is on
the following page. From an editorial viewpoint is it OK to have a footnote on
the page following the in-text reference?
If not OK, how do I get
Been a while since we had one of these, this one from Chris Seal:
"Sometimes a footnote reference in text is on one page but the footnote is on
the following page. From an editorial viewpoint is it OK to have a footnote on
the page following the in-text reference?
If not OK, how do I get
Well, I've started to move from FM to ID, so that I do not remain
forever stuck with G5 hardware and Tiger. It's with immense
reluctance that I reward Adobe with more purchases after they dropped
MacFM...no, let's not get started on that.
The ID learning curve is much steeper. I bought FM3
Deirdre wrote:
Those two phrases sound overly complicated to me -- numerical
characters sounds like a complicated way of saying numbers and
ditto alpha characters for letters.
Well, if we're going to be completely accurate, we should distinguish
numerals and digits, which are symbols, from
Deirdre wrote:
>Those two phrases sound overly complicated to me -- "numerical
>characters" sounds like a complicated way of saying "numbers" and
>ditto "alpha characters" for "letters."
Well, if we're going to be completely accurate, we should distinguish
numerals and digits, which are
Jacob wrote: We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker
document (7.2) where
the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds
itself on the next page.
It's been awhile since we had this complaint! Sorry, Jacob, assuming
the problem is that the note requires more
Jacob wrote: "We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker
document (7.2) where
the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds
itself on the next page."
It's been awhile since we had this complaint! Sorry, Jacob, assuming
the problem is that the note requires more
>Is there any way to search for FrameMaker overrides?
Depends on what you want to do, but if your goal is just to find
para-level overrides and, say, override them with the default
paraformat, you could use F/C: check "use wildcards", put the string
"\p" in the find field, and then click
Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
Framemaker?
Besides research papers, meeting minutes, etc., I wrote a logic
textbook in FM3 and 4 and a more advanced research monograph in FM7.
Lots of numbered examples, xrefs to them, fair number of line
diagrams, and in
Steve wrote:
Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, for some unfathomable reason, the
'Japanese' RTF import filter worked better than the other one.
In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at
least for export to Word.
Graeme Forbes
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Steve wrote:
>Back in FrameMaker 6 for Mac, for some unfathomable reason, the
>'Japanese' RTF import filter worked better than the other one.
In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at
least for export to Word.
Graeme Forbes
Does anyone know of a way to get Frame to put the autonumber
text where the setting for Position implies it will put it: right at the
end of the paragraph -- in other words, immediately after the text I type?
A test of my own docs with autonumbers at the end of paragraphs
suggests that neither
>Does anyone know of a way to get Frame to put the autonumber
>text where the setting for Position implies it will put it: right at the
>end of the paragraph -- in other words, immediately after the text I type?
A test of my own docs with autonumbers at the end of paragraphs
suggests that
I often hit Cmnd-Opt 6 for a thin space (instead of 7) and as a
result change the view to View 6 (MacFM7). Esc-vcv brings up the View
window, but there seems to be no keyboard command for switching the
view from 6 back to 1. Anyone know such a thing?
Graeme Forbes
I knew there had to be a simple solution. You prevent a page break
occurring at a soft return by putting a sufficiently large number (I
used 4) in the Widow/Orphan control box on the Pagination page of the
Para Designer. Thanks to Stuart Rogers for suggesting this.
Graeme Forbes
Diane:
Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.
Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
know of.
This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
that referred to
Diane:
Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.
>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>know of.
This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
that referred to
I have a proof consisting in a sequence of lines across a page, each
a paragraph, and each line separated from the next by a shallow
anchored frame that contains a separator line. Each line/para is set
to keep with the next one since the whole proof must display on the
same page. However, in
I have a proof consisting in a sequence of lines across a page, each
a paragraph, and each line separated from the next by a shallow
anchored frame that contains a separator line. Each line/para is set
to keep with the next one since the whole proof must display on the
same page. However, in
Tina wrote:
If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong
Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc
it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety
Tina wrote:
"If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong"
Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc
it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their
Tina Ricks wrote:
I've got the footnote body set to 10 points (Format Document Footnote
Properties). Unfortunately, this means (I think) that the footnote reference
(in the main text) is also 10 point superscript.
No, the reference numeral's attributes in the main text are
controlled by the
Tina Ricks wrote:
"I've got the footnote body set to 10 points (Format > Document > Footnote
Properties). Unfortunately, this means (I think) that the footnote reference
(in the main text) is also 10 point superscript. "
No, the reference numeral's attributes in the main text are
controlled by
It seems that our history goes back further than you thought. From
David Lyons' coffee-table book Scotland, p. 184, reproduced as
printed, but for the elisions:
...the event which most shaped Highlanders were the Highland
Clearances, which started in the late 18th and continued into the
It seems that our history goes back further than you thought. From
David Lyons' coffee-table book "Scotland", p. 184, reproduced as
printed, but for the elisions:
...the event which most shaped Highlanders were the Highland
Clearances, which started in the late 18th and continued into the
One of the things I dislike about Virtual PC (7.0.3) is that I can't
see any of the programs I installed using it. I've got WindowsXP,
FrameMaker 7.1 and Adobe Reader for Windows somewhere on my Mac, but
apparently hidden. Anyone know where they are? Mac OSX Panther.
Graeme Forbes
One of the things I dislike about Virtual PC (7.0.3) is that I can't
see any of the programs I installed using it. I've got WindowsXP,
FrameMaker 7.1 and Adobe Reader for Windows somewhere on my Mac, but
apparently hidden. Anyone know where they are? Mac OSX Panther.
Graeme Forbes
Peter Courlis asked
Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?
Dov replied:
Yes, Microsoft Word (Windows only) provides this support.
InDesign ME offers this support (both platforms); maybe future
versions of InDesign
Peter Courlis asked
"Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?"
Dov replied:
"Yes, Microsoft Word (Windows only) provides this support.
InDesign ME offers this support (both platforms); maybe future
versions of InDesign
Dear Mr. Davidson:
Please accept my sympathy, and also my thanks for taking the time to
inform us during this exceptionally difficult time for you.
In 1995 the Framers List lost another frequent contributor, Carol
Odlum, to brain cancer. Carol had been particularly helpful to me
with a number
Dear Mr. Davidson:
Please accept my sympathy, and also my thanks for taking the time to
inform us during this exceptionally difficult time for you.
In 1995 the Framers List lost another frequent contributor, Carol
Odlum, to brain cancer. Carol had been particularly helpful to me
with a
I use the mailmerge feature in Word to
import variables such as the date of the report, the name of the product
on which the report is based, the final score that the product achieved
and so on... Is this something that I can do better using Framemaker?
Mark, FM doesn't come with a mail merge
"I use the mailmerge feature in Word to
import variables such as the date of the report, the name of the product
on which the report is based, the final score that the product achieved
and so on... Is this something that I can do better using Framemaker?"
Mark, FM doesn't come with a mail merge
From the interview
(http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1741) with
the Adobe CEO:
*
We will continue to extend the capabilities of the core product in
each of those segments with some of the features that are available
in the other products. But, yes, it is our goal
From the interview
(http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1741) with
the Adobe CEO:
*
We will continue to extend the capabilities of the core product in
each of those segments with some of the features that are available
in the other products. But, yes, it is our goal
It looks like the new version of ID in CS3 has got some better
long-doc handling tools. Or so Adobe says. I would still rather
switch from FM to ID than run Windows FM under simulation - Parallels
or whatever. One foresees just too many unforeseeable problems.
So: does anyone know what the
It looks like the new version of ID in CS3 has got some better
long-doc handling tools. Or so Adobe says. I would still rather
switch from FM to ID than run Windows FM under simulation - Parallels
or whatever. One foresees just too many unforeseeable problems.
So: does anyone know what the
Hedley's suggestions for improving Frame's footnote handling are all
very good ones, but the chances of them being implemented are nil, I
think. Some of us have been complaining about FM's note handling for,
oh, 14 years, and I have quite a collection of nice messages spanning
that period from
Dov said:
Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X
In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for
GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people who
know
Dov said:
"Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult
stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output,
etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X"
In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for
GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people who
know
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