FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit
My template has a character tag, Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size
setting had been at 11 pt, the size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to
use the tag in a cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt.
So I changed the Si
e characters to revert to the underlying paragraph
specification for your table footnote.
-Fred Ridder
From: beverly_robin...@datacard.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:22 -0600
Subject: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Wi
This is a very old FrameMaker bug. When you set everything to As Is, the
text size doesn't show As Is, but it does function as As Is. It's just a
display problem.
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 14-Nov-13 12:05 AM, Beverly Robinson wrote:
>
> FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Wi
Robinson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
You've identified one of the long-standing inconsistencies in the FrameMaker
UI. In the Size box of the Character Designer dialog, the "as is" state is
indicated by emptiness. Sam
Well, it is extremely useful to have character format definitions that
leave certain issues undefined.
The bug (old, indeed) is, that the "as is" used here is the same "as is"
that is used for redefining formats (like for para or table formats).
It is necessary to keep this in mind when worki
e lumbered with the wrong font size.
David
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:31:04 -0500
From: Fred Ridder
To: Beverly Robinson ,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com"
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charse
Sorry David, but it's your workflow that's tripping you up.
I'm sure there are other methods, but here's how I've consistently and
confidently defined/updated character tags for many years:
Click outside the text flow
Open the Character Designer
Choose your tag from the drop down menu
Define prop
Cheers Matt,
Yes I totally agree with your 'bottom line' -
But surely this is a bug? The Character Designer dialog box (or "pod" as they
seem to want to call it now) just simply isn't behaving consistently and doing
what it says it does.
There is nothing I can see about this issue in the user doc
Hi David,
I agree with your thoughts on the subject, but I believe the engineers would
call this "as designed"?
I know it could be better, but given that the Character Designer hasn't changed
since, well, ever.
As such, I'm betting it's not at the top of the To-Do list for the engineers.
-Ma
s you want
to change (like Bold-Italic) and use that instead.
Thanks.
Craig
Subject: Re: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
From: m...@mattrsullivan.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:48:01 -0800
To: David.Davis at invensys.com
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Hi David,
I agree with you
In my opinion, the Character Designer should have "From Style" rather than
"As Is".
The "As Is" setting impedes experimentation with the settings.
I agree with Matt: I teach never to edit character tags with text selected.
There is a method to do it safely with text selected, but it requires more
FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit
My template has a character tag, Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size
setting had been at 11 pt, the size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to
use the tag in a cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt.
So I changed the Si
e characters to revert to the underlying paragraph
specification for your table footnote.
-Fred Ridder
From: beverly_robin...@datacard.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:22 -0600
Subject: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows
This is a very old FrameMaker bug. When you set everything to As Is, the
text size doesn't show As Is, but it does function as As Is. It's just a
display problem.
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 14-Nov-13 12:05 AM, Beverly Robinson wrote:
FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Win
Robinson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
You've identified one of the long-standing inconsistencies in the FrameMaker
UI. In the Size box of the Character Designer dialog, the "as is" state is
indicated by emptiness. Sam
Well, it is extremely useful to have character format definitions that
leave certain issues undefined.
The bug (old, indeed) is, that the "as is" used here is the same "as is"
that is used for redefining formats (like for para or table formats).
It is necessary to keep this in mind when work
e lumbered with the wrong font size.
David
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:31:04 -0500
From: Fred Ridder
To: Beverly Robinson ,
"framers@lists.frameusers.com"
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charse
Sorry David, but it's your workflow that's tripping you up.I'm sure there are other methods, but here's how I've consistently and confidently defined/updated character tags for many years:Click outside the text flowOpen the Character DesignerChoose your tag from the drop down menuDefine properties
Cheers Matt,
Yes I totally agree with your 'bottom line' -
But surely this is a bug? The Character Designer dialog box (or "pod" as they
seem to want to call it now) just simply isn't behaving consistently and doing
what it says it does.
There is nothing I can see about this issue in the user doc
Hi David, I agree with your thoughts on the subject, but I believe the engineers would call this "as designed"…I know it could be better, but given that the Character Designer hasn't changed since, well, ever.As such, I'm betting it's not at the top of the To-Do list for the engineers.
-MattMatt R.
s you want
to change (like Bold-Italic) and use that instead.
Thanks.
Craig
Subject: Re: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
From: m...@mattrsullivan.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:48:01 -0800
To: david.da...@invensys.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Hi David,
I agree with you
In my opinion, the Character Designer should have "From Style" rather than
"As Is".
The "As Is" setting impedes experimentation with the settings.
I agree with Matt: I teach never to edit character tags with text selected.
There is a method to do it safely with text selected, but it requires mor
Try this one: while you're in the character designer press Shift+F8.
All values will be set to As Is. You can modify the format and apply - or
update all.
But Matt is right: when you first click 'Apply', all current values of the
selected text will be shown and if you next click 'update all' ,
Try this one: while you're in the character designer press Shift+F8.
All values will be set to As Is. You can modify the format and apply - or
update all.
But Matt is right: when you first click 'Apply', all current values of the
selected text will be shown and if you next click 'update all' ,
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